Jimmy Savile Discussion: "Dr" Fox cleared of all charges

Poser wrote:I take your point, Cal, but the corporation also had its knuckles rapped massively over McAlpine, so the hesitancy could be attributed to that.

I do see what you're getting at, though, and it does seem odd. At least the Mail is here to keep us all right.

KKLEIN wrote:As was discussed on Sky News last night, most of the major news outlets aren't covering the story.

Cal wrote:

Moggy wrote:Wait, is Cal now arguing that the BBC should hound people over paedophile allegations?

Not at all. But it strikes me that in Lord McAlpine's case there was no evidence at all against him. The NCCL's involvement with PIE, on the other hand, is a matter of public record. Do you not think it odd that where there is clearly a public record the BBC should be doing it's best to look the other way?

Cal wrote:

KKLEIN wrote:As was discussed on Sky News last night, most of the major news outlets aren't covering the story.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/nick-cohen ... a-scandal/

Moggy wrote:As KKlein points out, most of the news is not covering this story and the BBC got themselves in trouble over the McAlpine stuff. I wouldn't blame them for being a bit hesitant.

It also sounds like a non-story. Some MPs in the 70s (I don't see them being Labour as too relevant) might have been close with a group that advocated silly things. Where’s the juicy story?

DAILY MAIL COMMENT: A silence that grows ever more deafening

But now the dam appears to be bursting. As well as Conservative-leaning newspapers and Tory MPs, even the liberal media have joined the cry, with commentators at the Guardian, Observer, and Mirror – Fleet Street’s most prominent Labour cheerleaders – all urging the three to come clean. Only the BBC has failed – predictably and shamefully – to report any aspect of this hugely important story. Just imagine the feeding frenzy at Broadcasting House if the same charges had been levelled against three members of the Tory elite. So how long do Miss Harman, Mr Dromey and Miss Hewitt think they can remain silent? Miss Hewitt may have left the political stage, but the other two are in Labour’s vanguard. Does Ed Miliband really want this sordid affair hanging over his party as it prepares for a general election? In the eloquent words of Sunday Mirror columnist Carole Malone: ‘How can they ever be taken seriously on ANY issue if they stay silent on this one?’

Cal wrote:

Moggy wrote:As KKlein points out, most of the news is not covering this story and the BBC got themselves in trouble over the McAlpine stuff. I wouldn't blame them for being a bit hesitant.

It also sounds like a non-story. Some MPs in the 70s (I don't see them being Labour as too relevant) might have been close with a group that advocated silly things. Where’s the juicy story?

Perhaps, perhaps.

DAILY MAIL COMMENT: A silence that grows ever more deafening

But now the dam appears to be bursting. As well as Conservative-leaning newspapers and Tory MPs, even the liberal media have joined the cry, with commentators at the Guardian, Observer, and Mirror – Fleet Street’s most prominent Labour cheerleaders – all urging the three to come clean. Only the BBC has failed – predictably and shamefully – to report any aspect of this hugely important story. Just imagine the feeding frenzy at Broadcasting House if the same charges had been levelled against three members of the Tory elite. So how long do Miss Harman, Mr Dromey and Miss Hewitt think they can remain silent? Miss Hewitt may have left the political stage, but the other two are in Labour’s vanguard. Does Ed Miliband really want this sordid affair hanging over his party as it prepares for a general election? In the eloquent words of Sunday Mirror columnist Carole Malone: ‘How can they ever be taken seriously on ANY issue if they stay silent on this one?’

http://www.dailyfail.co.uk/debate/artic ... z2uG3LkRnK

commentators at the Guardian, Observer, and Mirror

Moggy wrote:And they have reported on it now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26320942

Labour leader Ed Miliband has defended Harriet Harman after reports that a group she used to work for had links to paedophile rights campaigners. He said his deputy was "somebody of huge decency and integrity - I don't set any store by these allegations".

Cal wrote:They're not 'allegations', though. Ed Milliband and the BBC know that they are a matter of public record. The deceit is breathtaking.

Moggy wrote:

Cal wrote:They're not 'allegations', though. Ed Milliband and the BBC know that they are a matter of public record. The deceit is breathtaking.

The first link you posted describes this as "accusations". Is Spiked breathtakingly deceitful?

Hexx wrote:Wait. Nambla wasn't made up by South Park.

Cal wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Cal wrote:They're not 'allegations', though. Ed Milliband and the BBC know that they are a matter of public record. The deceit is breathtaking.

The first link you posted describes this as "accusations". Is Spiked breathtakingly deceitful?

Good point. But the matter of public record remains in both instances.

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

Hexx wrote:Wait. Nambla wasn't made up by South Park.

Sadly not.

Moggy wrote:To save me trawling through Daily Mail bile, what is the public record? That they were members of a group 40 years ago that had links to another group within which some people wanted a change in the law?

The Mail discovered that during the 1970s and 80s, Miss Hewitt described PIE – granted formal ‘affiliate’ status from 1975 to the mid-Eighties – in glowing terms as ‘a campaigning/counselling group for adults attracted to children’. NCCL archives showed how the pressure group lobbied Parliament for the age of sexual consent to be cut to ten if the child consented and ‘understood the nature of the act’. It also called for incest to be legalised in what one MP called a ‘Lolita’s charter’.

Miss Harman, as NCCL legal officer, tried to water down child pornography laws. NCCL lawyers acted for PIE members who were questioned by police over their disgusting behaviour.

‘In stark contrast, Shami Chakrabarti, the director of Liberty, which took over the NCCL’s mantle, has condemned the historic links with PIE as a “source of continuing disgust and horror”