Apparently, there were concealed carry permit holders at the event, who afterwards reported feeling completely helpless and unable to act, due to
a) not knowing where the shooter was, and
b) knowing that if they drew their weapons, they'd be shot by the police on the assumption they were the shooter(s). Proof positive that in a massacre, private gun owners are all but useless.
captain red dog wrote:Hime wrote:Rightey wrote:Something from another forum that describes how these pro gun people think...
The worst mass shooting was "The Wounded Knee Massacre" In which the US government killed 250 to 300 Indians a lot of which were women and children, thus proving that if bureaucrats decide something is worth it, they will do it. At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy nut, This reinforces my want and need for the civilian population to have weapons so that we as a nation, can prevent the trampling of the rights we were given at birth, or even the direction we are takeing as a nation. Unfortunately it looks like we don't have just the government to worry about, but also a portion of the civilian populace that want to restrict our rights (any of them) as well as them wanting the country to go in a direction a lot feel it shouldnt.
Basically these shootings are just the price of freedom in their minds, so really until they are killed it doesn't matter how many people get murdered.
I do think the US genuinely has a different attitude towards the law and how acceptable it is to take it into your own hands than most of the world, and I think that mentality combined with the terrible health services probably leads to a lot of these shootings, more so than just lots of guns.
It's the talk of restricting rights and second amendment stuff I find most baffling. Mainly the idea that a set of laws written 200 years ago is still applicable today and are "birth rights". Also, the country doesn't seem too worried about overlooking some of the other amendments when it suits.
If they had the birth right to gooseberry fool in the streets I honestly think they would be going about it proudly. It's incredible that the right to own guns is in there but not the right to affordable healthcare. It's such a messed up country and I think the only way for real change is for blue states to secede.
Healthcare was affordable in America, right up until the early-mid 20th century. By the time people started to see how expensive it had become, the political influence of the pharmaceutical industry was too vast to overcome. Only when the baby boomers pass on and the US becomes more liberal on average will we see their corrupting influence wane.