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by Tafdolphin » Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:07 pm

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by Skippy » Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:45 pm

Dunkirk - ****

Great, but not a masterpiece. At least not after my first viewing. I love the structure, and the way it builds tension at a steady rate from the opening few seconds until the relentless, horrific final act. My problem was that I thought it failed to sell the scale of the operation. Nolan is adamantly old school and averse to using CGI if it can be helped, but this film needed some shots showing the enormity of what happened. We're told there are 400,000 people on the beach, but we only see them 50 at a time. Not sure why I'm spoilering this as its history, but when British civilian ships turn up there are maybe a dozen of them, when they could have shown more. It needed just a few shots to establish all this, and it would have been truly brilliant.

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by Tafdolphin » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:18 am

Having thought about it a bit more I'm utterly convinced Dunkirk has one of the best soundscapes I've ever heard in a film. There were a few big moments where it was the music and the sound effects, not the visuals, that created the impact. I'm thinking specifically of the silent Spitfire flyby, and any time the Stukas were around. The gunfire inside the trawler was also excellent, with those one or two bullets becoming utter terrifying. I agree with Skippy that it's an oddly sparse movie, but I can't help feeling this was for "realism's" sake. Perhaps they though the real situation too unbelievable, that if they threw the real number of soldiers that were actually on the beaches up on screen it would look like Hollywood excess.

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by Rocsteady » Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:35 am

Dunkirk - 8/10

Totally agree with the above comments about the sound, thought the end was magnificent too.

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by rudderless » Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:14 am

Skippy wrote:Dunkirk - ****

Great, but not a masterpiece. At least not after my first viewing. I love the structure, and the way it builds tension at a steady rate from the opening few seconds until the relentless, horrific final act. My problem was that I thought it failed to sell the scale of the operation. Nolan is adamantly old school and averse to using CGI if it can be helped, but this film needed some shots showing the enormity of what happened. We're told there are 400,000 people on the beach, but we only see them 50 at a time. Not sure why I'm spoilering this as its history, but when British civilian ships turn up there are maybe a dozen of them, when they could have shown more. It needed just a few shots to establish all this, and it would have been truly brilliant.


Strongly disagree. The closeness, the claustrophobia is what makes it. It's purposely localised so you feel like you're up close with the subjects. That's why you get so many tight close-ups, that's why the aspect ratio is as it is, that's why you've got IMAX cameras stuffed inside cockpits, that's why you don't see the enemy. The focus is on the intimacy of fear, not the broader conflict. It's an experiential film, and if you start zooming out, you lose that trump card. It's why it feels so distinctive from other war films.

Besides, you're totally underselling the numbers there. There are shots with hundreds of extras.

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by Skippy » Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:20 am

I get all that. The closeness and small scale of the immediate action is why the film works so well, but I felt it needed a better sense of the context for all that, just a handful of shots showing the scale of what was happening rather than Kenneth Branagh just telling us there are 400,000 people there. Not that I wanted a shot of all 400,000 of them. If you took out Branagh's line and showed this to someone who didn't already know the story of Dunkirk, they'd think just a few hundred soldiers were rescued. Even with the line it's a problem I think. Films should show rather than tell.

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by Corazon de Leon » Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:33 am

Films like Dunkirk are Stuka in the past.

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by Skippy » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:03 pm

:fp: :lol:

Here's my lengthier review of the film https://medium.com/@bskipper27/dunkirk- ... d821a4dd32

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by rudderless » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:08 pm

Skippy wrote:I get all that. The closeness and small scale of the immediate action is why the film works so well, but I felt it needed a better sense of the context for all that, just a handful of shots showing the scale of what was happening rather than Kenneth Branagh just telling us there are 400,000 people there. Not that I wanted a shot of all 400,000 of them. If you took out Branagh's line and showed this to someone who didn't already know the story of Dunkirk, they'd think just a few hundred soldiers were rescued. Even with the line it's a problem I think. Films should show rather than tell.


I think given the logistics of it, and the (in my opinion) correct focus on the experience of the survivors rather than the scale of the operation, that's not an entirely fair ask. With practical effects used throughout, you throw in one bit of CGI for something (which, as you've acknowledged, you're already told) and it's a distraction.

I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I'm genuinely a bit taken aback by how blasé people are being about the film. I think it's an incredible achievement.

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by Knoyleo » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:21 pm

I've not really paid any attention to Dunkirk, I think I just wrote it off as a lazy "r brave bois" war drama back when I saw it announced and that Harry Styles was in it.

Suddenly really interested given the reception it's getting, though.

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by Glowy69 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:56 pm

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by Tafdolphin » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:02 pm

The Prestige 10/10

Discussing the film in here made me go back and watch this and I've actually upgraded my opinion: not only is it my favourite of Nolan's I'd say it's in my top ten films ever. It just doesn't put a foot wrong. I remember being utterly confused after the first viewing but found myself enjoying it more every time I watch it as the layers slot into place and the whole becomes apparent. In terms of his other works it's probably got most in common with Inception and Memento due to it's multifaceted narrative and complex framing (a man reading a diary of a man reading a diary). In hindsight the twist is telegraphed almost from the off, but it's one of many turns the film takes that are take you completely off guard and lthough there is one "big" twist, the last 20 minutes is a constant barrage of reveals and revelations that you simply could not have seen coming. The only thing I'd change is the immediate smash cut at the end to Thom Yorke.

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by Peter Crisp » Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:47 pm

Dunkirk IMAX.

Simply amazing and an all out assault on the senses in the best way possible. Some of the most uplifting scenes ever during a complete clusterfuck of death and destruction that doesn't seem so unrealistic or overly heroic to be believable.
As a war film it's pretty raw and all the better for it.

An easy 10/10 from me and I urge anyone on the fence to go and see this and go all out for IMAX if you can.

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by mcjihge2 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:02 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:The Prestige 10/10

Discussing the film in here made me go back and watch this and I've actually upgraded my opinion: not only is it my favourite of Nolan's I'd say it's in my top ten films ever. It just doesn't put a foot wrong. I remember being utterly confused after the first viewing but found myself enjoying it more every time I watch it as the layers slot into place and the whole becomes apparent. In terms of his other works it's probably got most in common with Inception and Memento due to it's multifaceted narrative and complex framing (a man reading a diary of a man reading a diary). In hindsight the twist is telegraphed almost from the off, but it's one of many turns the film takes that are take you completely off guard and lthough there is one "big" twist, the last 20 minutes is a constant barrage of reveals and revelations that you simply could not have seen coming. The only thing I'd change is the immediate smash cut at the end to Thom Yorke.


Ive just watched the prestige. Not seen it before. good film. The thing i dont get is why didnt hugh jackman at the end ask him if he tied the knot? I figure his wifes death was jackmans motivation to ruin christian bale, so with his dying breath why didnt he ask him about that? Also even if it was the other twin who got scolded by micheal caine for suggesting the other type of knot, then surely bale 2 would have known he shouldnt tie the knot because its dangerous. Im trying to work out who the baddy was - hung Bale , alive Bale or Jackman?

I also just watched memento. Not seen that before. Also a good film. I kind of feel worse for watching Memento than the Prestige though.

EDIT: Id say on reflection Memento is the better film than the prestige. Even though its confusing, the storyline seems to tie up better.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:26 pm

Just watched War Dogs again.

It's a great film and I forgot how unbelievably attractive Ana de Armas is. strawberry float me :shock:.

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by Tafdolphin » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:45 pm

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Ive just watched the prestige. Not seen it before. good film. The thing i dont get is why didnt hugh jackman at the end ask him if he tied the knot? I figure his wifes death was jackmans motivation to ruin christian bale, so with his dying breath why didnt he ask him about that? Also even if it was the other twin who got scolded by micheal caine for suggesting the other type of knot, then surely bale 2 would have known he shouldnt tie the knot because its dangerous. Im trying to work out who the baddy was - hung Bale , alive Bale or Jackman?


Angiers is so far into his obsession at this point that he's almost completely forgotten about his wife and the knot. His hatred for Borden is now so absolute the original source has become irrelevant. He straight up says this to his assistant earlier in the film. If anything, the fact that he doesn't ask just adds to his character. Also there are no bad guys, just men driven to horrific acts through obsession. Again, this is stated in the closing dialogue between the two survivors.

It's the nuances and the questions the plot makes you ask yourself, as you have done, that I think marks this as a genuinely extraordinary film.

I also just watched memento. Not seen that before. Also a good film. I kind of feel worse for watching Memento than the Prestige though.

EDIT: Id say on reflection Memento is the better film than the prestige. Even though its confusing, the storyline seems to tie up better.


Funnily enough, I watched Memento this arvo too and about an hour in I realised I'd never actually seen it all the way through. It's a nice little trick piece, the stitching together of the story is masterfully done and it's clear that it set the tone for Nolan's entire career. However, the story itself is largely uninteresting and once you've pieced it together there's little appeal to watching it through again. There's no ambiguity, no secrets, it's a standard crime story with largely unlikeable and two dimensional characters told in a fascinating way.

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by Gandalf » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:03 pm

Dunkirk -9/10. strawberry floating amazing!

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:28 pm

Gandalf wrote:Dunkirk -9/10. strawberry floating amazing!

Minus 9 out of 10? :shock:

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by Moggy » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:35 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Gandalf wrote:Dunkirk -9/10. strawberry floating amazing!

Minus 9 out of 10? :shock:


His dad was in the Luftwaffe.

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by Lotus » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:25 pm

Foxcatcher - 6/10
+ Good to see Steve Carell in a non-comic role, and thought he was pretty good
+ Mark Ruffalo - always quality
+ Pretty interesting plot, not one that I was aware of and despite not really being into wrestling that wasn't a barrier

- Dragged a bit
- Felt like it was lacking...something

Was tempted to buy this a while ago. Glad I didn't, as it's not something I can see myself re-watching, although that's not to say it isn't worth seeing. Decent performances all round, I think maybe it's one of those stories that just doesn't translate well into a 2 hour film.

The Void - 8/10
+ Great visual effects
+ Some good imagery
+ Lots of gore and violence
+ Unknown actors (to me) but they all did a decent job; the film suited the lack of a 'big' name.
+ Kept the action coming at a good pace
+ Plot that kept me interested...

- ...but ultimately got needlessly weird for seemingly no reason

I'd been looking forward to this for a while. I don't think there's much to criticise, it does what it set out to do and does it well for the most part. The plot is the only thing I have an issue with; it feels like it's trying too hard to be weird and disturbing, when all it really does is make you think that they should've kept it simpler. Doing that might have made the plot a bit more run of the mill, sure, but I feel that would've been better than what we actually ended up with.

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