Last TV series you watched and your rating.

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by Hime » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:13 am

Has there been a show with more representation than Power Rangers?

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by Death's Head » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:48 am

Never watched Friends, but are their jokes about black people? (I'm guessing not). I don't agree that we should just put in some race tokens or write scripts to include different races unnecessarily.

Has anyone seen Eddie Murphy's Boomerang (from around 1992)? Did you think there should be some token white people in it or perhaps it should have been recast for one or two whites having meatier roles?

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by Vermilion » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:37 am

Taf, you've clearly been thinking about this stuff far too much and i think you need to lighten up a bit.

You make a lot of serious and well intentioned points, but at the end of the day we're discussing a TV show that's 20 years old, and it really doesn't matter that much.

Taf wrote:a) Why do you think it's odd? This is a genuine question.


I think it's odd because complaining about racial representation in movies/films from two decades ago makes no sense whatsover, it's like something you'd see in an episode of South Park.

Taf wrote:b) The Fresh Prince example is something of a false equivalency.


What about Bollywood? Are you upset at the lack of diversity amongst the Indian actors? Would you suggest that they bring in a bunch of Chinese characters as they currently lack representation in the genre? It sounds silly because it is, yet that is pretty much what you have been doing, and i think you need to spend less time worrying about this sort of stuff.

If there is one thing i've learned over the years, it's that getting upset at little things beyond our control does no one any good, all it does is create a lot of unnecessary stress.

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by Gemini73 » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:54 am

There is a distinct lack of black folk in Gotham. Lots of hot chicks, though. You win some, you lose some. :slol:

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by Tafdolphin » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:12 am

Vermilion wrote:You make a lot of serious and well intentioned points, but at the end of the day we're discussing a TV show that's 20 years old, and it really doesn't matter that much.


I agree that when discussions get to this level it can definitely appear to be overthinking! I mentioned that I watched the first 7 series of Friends earlier this year; 7 series is a lot of episodes and I definitely wasn't going into each one with a mental 'black character checklist.' I was as MHTL says, enjoying them for the most part but taking note of the shortcomings.

Vermillion wrote:What about Bollywood? Are you upset at the lack of diversity amongst the Indian actors? Would you suggest that they bring in a bunch of Chinese characters as they currently lack representation in the genre?


This involves a point I wanted to get to in my original post but didn't get around to. The comparison of white culture and cultures like African-american, or Indian, or South American is (again, sorry!) a false equivalence because of one concept: the idea of domineer vs dominated.

Indian culture, same as black culture, is a dominated culture. In the 19th Century, these cultures were held in thrall to the domineering culture, this being white European culture. This set up the dynamic we have now in the Western world, that white culture is the default and that all other cultures play second fiddle. This is the reason that the idea of racism against white people is ridiculous: a systematically dominated culture is, by definition, incapable of being systematically racist against the dominant culture.

Your Bollywood example is a continuation of your Fresh Prince one. Bollywood is an industry specifically about representation, the representation of Indian culture and tropes. The US forcefully imported other cultures in its past, both as a slaving nation and as one looking for cheap labour to power its expansion west. Inversely, India was a culture that had white culture artificially forced on it for several generations and Bollywood is one response to that: an industry celebrating traditional cultural tropes that were seen as aberrant during the formative generations under the Raj. It is an exercise in representation.

Friends was no such thing. I'm in no way saying the writers were racist because they didn't include any black characters, I'm just saying that the show is a misrepresentation of the diversity of the city in which it's set because it was written by a group of people belonging to the dominant culture who lacked the diversity to even think about including a more varied representation of their hometown.

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by more heat than light » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:39 am

Tafdolphin wrote:Friends was no such thing. I'm in no way saying the writers were racist because they didn't include any black characters, I'm just saying that the show is a misrepresentation of the diversity of the city in which it's set because it was written by a group of people belonging to the dominant culture who lacked the diversity to even think about including a more varied representation of their hometown.


Alternatively, it's a show about a group of friends who all happen to be white.

I'm on your side, Taf, but I do think there are more important things to worry about than whether a group of characters contains 'the black one' and 'the gay one'. You really are in trouble if you have to make sure your group of characters has to fulfil certain criteria to be acceptable. We should be more focused on things like why more Asian actors don't get more lead roles and whitewashing in films where it would be more culturally appropriate to cast minority actors.

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by Tafdolphin » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:41 am

Yup, I'm definitely against tokenism and I'm deffo not suggesting the additional of token characters. I'm not suggesting any solutions, in fact! I'm simply saying that Friends was the result of a group of white people writing about a group of white people for an audience of white people, and that that sort of stuff doesn't hold up today.*

*Unless you're Scarlett Johannson.

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by more heat than light » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:49 am

Mind you, given Friends' handling of gay and trans rights, I dread to think what the writers would have cooked up for a black friend. :lol:

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by Tafdolphin » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:52 am

100%. Remember Joey's museum guide friend Rhonda? She was...yep, a sassy black woman who screamed a lot.

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by Death's Head » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:56 pm

Gemini73 wrote:There is a distinct lack of black folk in Gotham. Lots of hot chicks, though. You win some, you lose some. :slol:
With the hottest being black or at the very least mixed race.

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by Gemini73 » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:25 pm

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Gemini73 wrote:There is a distinct lack of black folk in Gotham. Lots of hot chicks, though. You win some, you lose some. :slol:
With the hottest being black or at the very least mixed race.


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by Death's Head » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:28 pm

Gemini73 wrote:
Death's Head wrote:
Gemini73 wrote:There is a distinct lack of black folk in Gotham. Lots of hot chicks, though. You win some, you lose some. :slol:
With the hottest being black or at the very least mixed race.


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Let's not forget that I saw her first and have first dibs.

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by Gemini73 » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:34 pm

Death's Head wrote:
Gemini73 wrote:
Death's Head wrote:
Gemini73 wrote:There is a distinct lack of black folk in Gotham. Lots of hot chicks, though. You win some, you lose some. :slol:
With the hottest being black or at the very least mixed race.


[img]https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/gotham-inc/images/8/8d/Tabitha_Galavan_season_2_promotional.png/revision/latest?cb=20150822051147[/img]
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Let's not forget that I saw her first and have first dibs.


Okay, as long as I get the nutty version of Barbara.

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by Doug » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:00 pm

Maniac - 9/10, Neflix Original, can't recommend it highly enough.
Manages to be funny, charming and thought provoking.
Some episodes are a complete mindfuck.

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by mcjihge2 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:33 pm

Maniac. Absolute rubbish. Incoherent dross. 3/10.

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by Miguel007 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:58 pm

Power: S1; 7/10. Quite enjoyable feels like a mix of a few programs with a ton of sex :lol: If there is a man and woman in the shot it's only a matter of time before they're ripping each other's clothes off, it should be a drinking game. Latino Police Officer Angela is just :datass: Tommy feels like a caricature of Trevor straight out of GTA V.

I liken it to Hollyoaks meets Soprano's on the streets :lol:

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by SugarDave » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:02 am

Finished the first season of True Detective earlier and thought it was fantastic. Aside from being an intriguing mystery and character drama, there's an attention to detail that I know will make repeat viewings just as interesting, I loved all the symbology and philosophical elements. Some of Rust's monologues would have been completely killed by how up their own arse they are with anything less than perfect casting, so I'm glad that I couldn't really picture anyone doing a significantly better job than McConaughey, he and Woody Harrelson were both excellent.

I loved what I interpreted as an almost Lovecraftian atmosphere throughout the series. I don't know, or really care, if that was intentional on the creators part but the last 30 minutes or so rewarded that feeling with some of the imagery.


Highly recommended, and a new addition to my list of favourite shows.

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by Moggy » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:02 am

Ozark Season Two – 6/10

I think there is a good show inside of Ozark, but it hides it away amongst a lot of boring crap. Despite liking a lot of it, it felt like a chore to get through.

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by Jenuall » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:47 am

Moggy wrote:Ozark Season Two – 6/10

I think there is a good show inside of Ozark, but it hides it away amongst a lot of boring crap. Despite liking a lot of it, it felt like a chore to get through.


How would you rate season one?

This seem to be well regarded online and so has been on my radar as a potential watch for a while but I'm not sure I can take on another show if it's not going to be worth it!

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by Moggy » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:52 am

Jenuall wrote:
Moggy wrote:Ozark Season Two – 6/10

I think there is a good show inside of Ozark, but it hides it away amongst a lot of boring crap. Despite liking a lot of it, it felt like a chore to get through.


How would you rate season one?

This seem to be well regarded online and so has been on my radar as a potential watch for a while but I'm not sure I can take on another show if it's not going to be worth it!


It was well over a year ago that I watched Season One, but I remember enjoying it.

Season Two isn't bad, but it just left me feeling like it was a struggle to watch it all.


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