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by LukewarmGravity » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:45 am

I have no idea why they did that, it's like they want the embassy to be bombarded with calls :fp:

[Edit] The only other place i can see that might be worth keeping an eye on is in the Gaijinpot forums

http://forum.gaijinpot.com/forum/working-in-japan/teaching-jobs

Hopefully there might be threads appearing there when stuff starts getting sent out.

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by Parksey » Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:42 pm

I got a notification today about having a interview at the end of January. I am relieved, as I thought my application was good enough to warrant an interview, but you never know.

Now I step up with some serious preparation - I had already thought about possible questions and answers, but I'm going to start jotting it all down in a special Interview binder thing and keep reading it.

Any tips about the interview? I know roughly what to expect - a grammar test, a short video, an interview panel of three involving a Japanese national (the bad cop) and a former JET.

*What questions, and especially, what surprise questions came up?

*What advice can you give for preparation?

*What advice for the day? What to wear (I was thinking a formal shirt and tie?), what to do when you arrive at the embassy etc. Is it wise to take a copy of your Personal Statement in with you, albeit just in case (as I will know my application inside out).

*Which part of my Personal Statement (which I posted here) or Application may flag their attention/critique?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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by Skarjo » Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:28 am

Full kimono and ceremonial katana.

They really appreciate it when you go all out.

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by Parksey » Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:46 am

You have brought great dishonour upon me and my family, Skarjo-san.

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by Osito » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:32 pm

https://uk-offers.timeout.com/deals/online-tefl-or-ielts-course

The £19 140-hour TEFL course offer is back on. The course itself isn't particularly good, and most of it is common sense and can be skipped if you want, but it could be a decent way to show you've been preparing.

I finished it in 4 hours and got 92% on the final exam. 8-)

Edit- And for people looking to teach somewhere that isn't Japan, the English Language Assistant posts for the British Council are still open.

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by Venom » Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:04 pm

[quote="final-fx"]https://uk-offers.timeout.com/deals/online-tefl-or-ielts-course

The £19 140-hour TEFL course offer is back on. The course itself isn't particularly good, and most of it is common sense and can be skipped if you want, but it could be a decent way to show you've been preparing./quote]

Is this just a intro course or does it have international recognition allowing you to teach ESL worldwide?

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by Parksey » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:25 pm

final-fx wrote:https://uk-offers.timeout.com/deals/online-tefl-or-ielts-course

The £19 140-hour TEFL course offer is back on. The course itself isn't particularly good, and most of it is common sense and can be skipped if you want, but it could be a decent way to show you've been preparing.

I finished it in 4 hours and got 92% on the final exam. 8-)

Edit- And for people looking to teach somewhere that isn't Japan, the English Language Assistant posts for the British Council are still open.


Is the other one worth it as well? The £39 English Language Preparation Course (getting both for £49).

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by Parksey » Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:30 pm

So do any JET applicants have any advise for the interview? Mine is just a week away and though I feel fairly well-prepared I am also aware that the interview can throw up many surprises and curveballs.

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by aayl1 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:46 am

Just be friendly and make sure you have an idea of what you want to do after JET, and how JET will help with those plans. They have a bit of a hard on for the fact that JET is only temporary these days, and seem to dislike people whose life goal is JET.

Also, you'll be ushered in by some helpful ex JETs. Treat them like part of your interview - sometimes the interviewers ask them for their opinion on you, so talk to them about where they were placed and ask them questions about it etc.

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Also, Aaron, why are you not staying on over there?


Think 2 years living on a tiny island is enough for me. I am at a school with 40 kids 4 days a week and can possibly have a maximum of 3 classes a day for the most part. This gets boring fairly quickly, and I can't have a social life in the week because, well, island.

It's been great, and I might look for some "real" jobs in Tokyo, but I think I'm about done at this point.

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by aayl1 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:47 am

Oh and have reasons for why you put down the placement choices, and stress that you'll be fine living in the middle of nowhere if you get the chance. And if you said you have any Japanese ability be prepared to be tested on it. Don't worry about the test, I think they more want to see how flustered you get when you can't understand them, etc etc.

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by Parksey » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:36 am

aayl1 wrote:Just be friendly and make sure you have an idea of what you want to do after JET, and how JET will help with those plans. They have a bit of a hard on for the fact that JET is only temporary these days, and seem to dislike people whose life goal is JET.

Also, you'll be ushered in by some helpful ex JETs. Treat them like part of your interview - sometimes the interviewers ask them for their opinion on you, so talk to them about where they were placed and ask them questions about it etc.

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Also, Aaron, why are you not staying on over there?


Think 2 years living on a tiny island is enough for me. I am at a school with 40 kids 4 days a week and can possibly have a maximum of 3 classes a day for the most part. This gets boring fairly quickly, and I can't have a social life in the week because, well, island.

It's been great, and I might look for some "real" jobs in Tokyo, but I think I'm about done at this point.


Yeah, I've heard that said about the ex-JETs that can litter the embassy - in fact, I have heard that even the lady on reception may pass information on about you. The best advice I heard was to just treat the interview as having started when you enter the building.

So I am going to ask the ex-JETs questions, though some people have said that you ask them questions during the video - is this wise? To talk while the video is playing?

aayl1 wrote:Oh and have reasons for why you put down the placement choices, and stress that you'll be fine living in the middle of nowhere if you get the chance. And if you said you have any Japanese ability be prepared to be tested on it. Don't worry about the test, I think they more want to see how flustered you get when you can't understand them, etc etc.


Yeah, well, I put three preferences down purely to look like I had looked into prefectures - which I did, but only for the JET programme, and I didn't have any prior knowledge about Nara, Wakayama or Saitama. I think I have thought of a good reason for picking each of them though (I can post them hear, if you would like, as I wrote "ideal answers" for a lot of questions down).

Basically, it boils down to the fact that I think the Kansai region looks like an interesting place to live, and the Kanto region also, and am I right in thinking that there is a bit of... "rivalry" between these regions? Kind of how we have a North/South rivalry, then Japan's big regions in the east and west have the same?

However, yes, I am going to stress that these are just preferences based on some research I did on them for the JET application. However what is clear from this research is that there are many other places I could have put down and I only put those three down as areas I would like to visit - I would be more than happy to be placed elsewhere, or somewhere rural. I pretty much spent half my childhood in the Yorkshire countryside so I am going to tell them this.

The only place I don't really fancy being placed is Okinawa - should I mention this? My reasons are being are that I have heard it is quite an... Americanised place? And I would prefer being placed somewhere with a stronger Japanese community, where I might be one of a handful of foreigners and, in true JET style, be able to have more impact on the programme, rather than somewhere where people have plenty of people to speak English to. Should I mention this?

For the Japanese part, I am just hoping I can pick up what they say. I only indicated I was a "1- elementary" on their scale of 1-5 so it will hopefully be something simple like: "Do you like sushi", which people have quoted as being asked.

If I don't understand them, would a simple "Wakarimasen" or a "Mou ichido itte kudasai/motto yukkuri itte kudasai" suffice?

Also a good, polite way of saving face is apparently to say: "Well, I clearly need to research that area a little more thoroughly before I go to Japan/swot up on my Japanese a little harder before I go" when asked about something that is a little difficult?

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PostRe: The Language-Learning Thread
by Pacman » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:01 pm

How did your interview go Mr Parks?? Scrolling down the past few pages and reading all your posts from November through to last month made me feel very 懐かしい :D

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by Parksey » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:01 am

I wrote a long write-up for Aaron in the Work Thread which I will spoiler here:

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aayl1 wrote:
Parksey wrote:I have my JET interview tomorrow.


Parksey, how did your JET interview go?

And well done on your interview getting, Rightey.

I've been working on my CV today, in preparation for my contract ending over here in August. No idea what I'm gonna be doing with myself come then. Eurgh.


An unwittingly long write-up here:

The day was a nightmare at first - I was staying at a friend's house and he bloody locked me in on his way to work. I came *this* close to jumping out of the window when I managed to force open his back door (steady). I sliced open my hand in the process and was fortunate the local tube station had a shop which stocked plasters so I could patch myself up. Felt like James Bond, mind, wearing a suit, breaking out of somewhere and going to an embassy covered in blood.

This was all at 1pm with my interview at 3pm. I had planned to sit in a Pret just down the road from the embassy from about midday onwards and have a bite to eat and a coffee whilst reading my notes. In the end, I got the back door open just about in time and made it there about 10/15 minutes early.

My mind was a whirl though, and I was full of adrenaline, so the interview is a massive blur.

We had the English test first, which is one of those things you'd do in 30 seconds normally, but pour over in a stressful situation. Common spellings were clouded by doubt and I had to look at one really common word for about 2 minutes to check the spelling. Nerves, I guess.

Then another applicant and I went to speak to a former JET and ask him questions. I may have been a bit naive, but I thought we'd politely let the other person get a word in and a chance to speak, but no, the other applicant was quite rude and would deliberately spoke over me at the time. I gave him a bit of a glance, and the cheeky scamp just looked at me in an "ffnnarrrr loser" sort of way. After he'd done this for the first minute or so I cottoned on, and probably became just as rude as he did - consciously waiting for the former-JET to tail his sentence off, and chirp in before he had a chance to get his banal question in first. Meh, I gave him a chance to do it civilly. He did strike me as a bit of a weeaboo though, and someone who was definitely after a Japanese wife.

I think the interivew itself went well - I was interview by an America guy called Bob who looked strangely familiar and a Japanese man from the embassy. The American was the one asking all the questions.

They were impressed when I gave reasons for my three preferences and listed off loads of sites and things which attracted me to my area. The Japanese man said he was very impressed with my knowledge of Japan, though I was also quick to say that I was open to being placed anywhere and listed a few things from various prefectures across the four main islands as an example that there would be interesting things where ever I ended up.

I think I gave a good answer to why I wanted to teach English abroad and also why JET. They didn't actually ask me the former, but they said: "Is there anything you prepared for that you thought we'd ask, but we didn't" to which I said I thought they would ask me why JET specifically and why not one of the various TEFL schemes and whatnot. So they asked and I answered loads of stuff about the key to it being the "exchange" part of the acronym and how it was about cultural and international exchange and being an ambassador for JET and for your home country etc.

They asked me a quick lesson I had been taught in Chinese or German (they must have mis-read my personal statement as I self-taught myself German and have never had a formal class). I actually suggested one thing I had been doing in Japanese recently to learn body parts which was really simple, which was the old classic "Heads, Shoulders, Knees and Toes" and how effective it was - I have never used the word for shoulders (kata) in any sentence or practice question, but due to the song I can always remember it.

They said something like: "That's fine for elementary kids, but what about older ones", to which I waffled for a minute while I got an idea in my head, then thought of a simple pairs game that involved them asking each other questions to find their match. The American seemed to like it and said it would get them moving around and communication.

I got a question about any recent Japanese news stories (from the Japanese guy, which is all he asked bar by three preferences) and I had prepared for this and had a few - I picked one about Shinzo Abe, fun-loving guy that he is, warning that Japan-China relations had echoes of UK-Germany tension in 1914. Always one to cheer up an interview, I mentioned this and also remarked on how it kind of had relevance to us in the UK now, as we are also an island nation with a strained relationship to our neighbours on the content and a history of "Euroscepticism". And that it just showed that even though this seemingly-obscure piece of news from a country thousands of miles away may seem irrelevant to us here, it was quite interesting when you read it through. A lot of waffle.

The one point they did pick up on, was the speed with which I spoke. I am conscious of this usually, and nerves do make me speak faster - I had made a note to slow it down, but due to my hectic morning, I probably still hadn't calmed down fully. The American guy said something like: "We've been speaking fast to get a lot in this 20 minutes, but are you able to speak slower", to which I replied something like "I am conscious that I can speak fast at times, but obviously I can slow it down if need be/if speaking to elementary school kids etc". And then he asked me to slow it down as if I had to prove it. But, yeah, this annoyed me a little as it was the one thing I had told myself to counteract.

One thing I did big up in the interview was my "status" as a Northerner. I mentioned a similarity in how most people in the UK have only heard of Tokyo or Kyoto and a few places, and how there's more to the country than that, and how there's more to the UK than just London - and how I would be able to present my home county's culture as being something a little bit different and unknown to Japanese children.

I also mentioned my accent after the "speaking fast" part, and said that maybe these Japanese children would find my accent interesting (it's not the broadest of Teesside accents, but I have a Northern twang, definitely) and it would be interesting for them to hear someone who doesn't sound like the Queen (a stereotypically "English" accent, in other words. I basically bigged up the "exchange" thing again - how I would learn about an unknown area of Japan outside of its big, world-famous cities and carry that cultural knowledge with me, and how if I did JET, my Japanese class would then also carry some knowledge about my local area in Teesside that is unknown to most foreigners.

The one thing I used to illustrate their potential interest in Teesside was that Stockton-Darlington railway and how it was the first public railway line to ever be used. And how this linked in with Japan being the home of the famous bullet train and that this all started about five minutes from my house etc.

So, yeah, overall, I feel confident, but not over-confident about my chances. My main concern is how competitive it is - there was a long list of signs-in of JET applicants at the embassy front desk and that was just one day in a six week period of interviews. I have no way of seeing how bad or good the others were so it is pointless worrying, but I am aware it's competitive and there's a chance I may not get through.

I feel like I got 80/90% of what I wanted to say out there in the interview, for good or for bad. I have no way of gauging if what I said is what they wanted to hear; I have a feeling it is, but I only have my own opinion to back that up. I made the American guy laugh a couple of times (I think, as his laugh was rather odd and could have been some medical problem he suffers from). The one thing I wish I had pushed more was the "Life after JET" stuff I prepared - it only dawned on me after the interview that they didn't ask this, and I could have brought it up, when I brought up their lack of any "Why JET" questions.

I did briefly mention my ongoing interest in Education and my degree and how I wish to pursue this further, and there's a decent post-JET section in my Personal Statement, so I hope that filled any blanks that the question left in its absence. They didn't ask it, so maybe it's not a concern for them?

It's nearly impossible to second-guess the JET Panel, so I am just going to forget it all now. As I said, I am confident I got 80/90% of what I prepared out of there - and only the second lesson he posed me threw me, and only for thirty seconds while I thought of something - and I feel I was calm, friendly and assured throughout. Gun-to-my-head I would say that I *think* I did enough to get a place and my interview would put me in decent bracket of candidates, but as I mentioned, it's quite competitive so I also wouldn't be too surprised if the stats went against me, if others were better than me on the day.

Phew, what an essay. This was almost an interview in itself.


I always meant to go and re-read this entire thread to find other people's experiences of their interview. Where are you placed, Pacman?

EDIT - Just re-reading the thread too. My Interview notification was around the same time as Aaron's and must have been one of the first out. Your notification was quite late, it seems. Obviously this shows that it has no bearing on the situation whatsoever. Must have been agony knowing that people were being interviewed and you hadn't heard back. They still interview right through February, apparently, so it is weird for me thinking that people are still going through the process. My interview seems like ages ago, even though it was only two weeks ago today.

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by Parksey » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:39 am

Also, there were bloody loads of GR JET applicants two years ago, and all bar one seem to have been successful. I don't think anyone applied for 2013 departure though, and am I the only one who has gone for it this year?

Reading back through the thread, and I seem bloody hopeless. I kept asking: "When does JET close" about a month after it did. You'd think I'd have done some more bloody research back then. The important thing is I met the deadline this time, which shows my dedication, to any embassy staff who may be reading this.

Also, another question I meant to ask is, *if* you are accepted, how long do you have to respond to that acceptance and say you're taking up the job?

Because it's my birthday in early April and, seeing as I may be moving away from my home later this year, I was planning on a big holiday with my friends in the first two weeks of that month. I never thought that I may be away when the letter arrives (I can get someone to open it and tell me, or e-mail a copy over or whatever, so I'll know) and that if a prompt response is needed, this may be tricky if it needs to be done via physical mail. For the interview, I just had to send an e-mail confirming I was attending, which I could do abroad.

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by G-Rat » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:56 am

Your acceptance/alternate/rejection letter will likely arrive mid-April earliest I would say. iirc, ours (mine and Aaron's) came around 3rd week of April. Again, iirc, the deadline for the reply form was the 6th May. So you have a couple weeks turn around hopefully.

Seems like you had a decent stab at your interview though, let us know how it goes.

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by Pacman » Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:09 pm

It sounds like you're in! Honestly, it looks competitive on paper but the sheer number of weeabos who apply really skews the numbers. For someone like you who has a future and interest in education and knowledge of Japan as opposed to just anime it shouldn't be a hard decision. So long as you weren't socially awkward or too badly covered in blood from your James Bond adventure :lol:

I'm in Ishikawa, it's really great. He isn't on GR but my friend applied last year and also got Ishikawa! I wonder if you'll be placed near one of us GRerer types.

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by Osito » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:17 pm

I've got more time on my hands now I'm back in the UK, so I'm looking to pick up another language.

I'm probably going to go back to Chinese, as I had enjoyed learning it before, it's surely going to become more and more useful and it's very different to what I've learned so far, which presents an exciting challenge. As an added bonus, there's no chance of me getting it mixed up with romance languages.

However, I haven't really followed any developments in Chinese-learning for the last few years, so was wondering if you fine people could recommend any good resources. I'll read up about it tonight and see what I can find, too. Thinking about it, is anyone here still studying Chinese, or is it solely Japanese in here?

Alternatively, I suppose the other logical choice would be Portuguese: it's similar to what I've learned already, so I should be able to pick it up a lot faster, it will also become more important with Brazil's growing influence and resources for it are easily available.

There's German too, but that doesn't appeal to me nearly as much.

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by John Galt » Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:36 pm

I still study Chinese. I take a class once a week so most of my learning comes through that or through reading articles, watching TV shows etc.

I've never found the online community for Chinese to be as good as that for Japanese so a lot of the material I used at the beginning was stuff I paid for. I'm not sure what your level is but the following book was very useful in the early stages. There's an intermediate level as well if that looks too simple for you.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Basic-Chinese-G ... se+grammar

Chinesepod has been invaluable too. There are so many podcasts, I doubt there's a topic which they haven't covered.

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by Osito » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:08 pm

I've gone right back to the beginning, as it's probably approaching something like two years since I stopped studying, so I've forgotten pretty much all of it. So far though, I still recognise a lot of the basics, so I should be able to review and reinforce the 'introductory' characters relatively quickly.

That grammar book looks interesting, but, in my experience, I've done better with doing some basic grammar study before launching into other resources (podcasts, videos, flashcards, etc.) and then, after reaching a decent level, coming back to the grammar to 'tidy up'. It looks good though, and I'll most likely get it when my level has improved a bit.

I think I've still got a load of Chinesepod podcasts on my hard drive, but there are a lot more recent ones out now, so I'll probably sign up again. Can you still sign up for a month, download everything and then cancel your subscription, or has that changed now? You could definitely do it before (and with the 101 sites too, which also let you do this during your free trial :shifty: ), so I'll have a look into it. I've got the Michel Thomas course, which I've always preferred for revision, and Pimsleur, which is meant to be good, so I've got some good listening resources available.

I've also still got the Fluenz Mandarin software downloaded so I'll probably power through it in a week or two as there is some good content there, even though it's not great and doesn't teach characters.

I'm using Memrise (doing the HSK level courses) for characters, and have watched the first few episodes of Growing up with Chinese for listening practice and a bit of cultural insight, and I'm enjoying getting back into the swing of it. :wub:

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by John Galt » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:34 pm

Sounds like you're pretty sorted.

Completely agree about the grammar books. I still find myself going back to them just to formalise structures that I've learnt through experience rather than having actually studied them.

I'm not sure whether Chinesepod allows you to download everything at once as I've never actually used the site :shifty:. With the number of intermediate, upper intermediate and advance lessons I have on my computer I'm definitely in no danger of running out of new content. I'd also watch out for the Pimsleur stuff - most of it is very outdated/formal - although it is good for cementing certain sentence patterns. One of the worst examples of its outdatedness is the phrase for "go to sleep" which actually translates these days as "to sleep with someone"...

Are you planning on taking HSK at all? I passed level 4 around this time last year and was originally planning to take level 5 soon but I've missed the sign up date. Whilst it's good to have something to aim for, I think taking any of the tests below level 4 is a bit pointless as it doesn't test to a genuinely functional level.


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