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PostLooking for a new TV, need some help GR
by ITSMILNER » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:36 pm

I'm looking to replace the TV in my bedroom, I currently have an old HD ready 40" that's on its last legs

I will be connecting my PS4 Pro to it along with my Switch and some streaming devices. I'm looking for a full HD TV with HDR, size wise I'm looking for somewhere between 32"-40"

What are some of your recommendations?

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PostRe: Looking for a new TV, need some help GR
by Preezy » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:57 pm

What's your budget?

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PostRe: Looking for a new TV, need some help GR
by ITSMILNER » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:32 pm

Looking at £300-400 really, not sure what TVs of this type go for.

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PostRe: Looking for a new TV, need some help GR
by KK » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:40 pm

The major manufacturers don't make 1080p sets that also accept HDR, though Sony is an exception having launched them this year...with one caveat: they can't guarantee the HDR part will work with a non PS4/Pro source. This is because real HDR is so intrinsically linked with 4K.

Sony have 3 TVs in your price bracket: the RE403 (£350, 720p), RE453 (£550, 1080p) and WE613 (£370, 720p).

The RE453 is currently £469 at various retailers, though I don't know if it's any good.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:13 pm

If you want HDR then you have to pick a 4K tv. The smallest they come in is 40 inch and the cheapest tend to start just over £400 for anything branded, there's a few Samsung just over £400 knocking around.

There are some Hisense TVs below £400, this one below is 43 inch but remember that current TVs take up a lot less space as the borders around the screen are very thin now so a 43 inch is probably around the size of a 40inch LCD.

http://www.argos.co.uk/product/7526305

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PostRe: Looking for a new TV, need some help GR
by ITSMILNER » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:55 pm

Hmmm, as it's only a bedroom TV something like one of those Hisense would be ok to Take advantage of a PS4 Pro?

i can't see anything on that Argos page to say it's HDR though, do all 4K TV's have HDR?

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:34 am

ITSMILNER wrote:Hmmm, as it's only a bedroom TV something like one of those Hisense would be ok to Take advantage of a PS4 Pro?

i can't see anything on that Argos page to say it's HDR though, do all 4K TV's have HDR?


Yeah you are right it doesn't mention it so i'm not sure.

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PostRe: Looking for a new TV, need some help GR
by KK » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:00 am

ITSMILNER wrote:i can't see anything on that Argos page to say it's HDR though, do all 4K TV's have HDR?

They don't, no.

They're probably going to be out of your price range, but there's a rundown of the best 4K HDR sets courtesy of Samsung, Song and LG, and which are most suitable for gaming, in the HD Thread: t:hdtv-threadcoming-soon?p=4168241#p4168241

If you want a 4K HDR set (rather than a 1080p HDR set from Sony) the cheapest Curry's sell is £419: http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and-hom ... 3-pdt.html

The cheapest from Samsung is £469: http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and-hom ... 1-pdt.html

And the cheapest fron LG £479 (currently in a sale from £699): http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and-hom ... 7-pdt.html

All are branded as HDR, but there's no way of telling you if they're any good or not because these budget sets are rarely reviewed. You would need to see it in store.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:07 am

KK wrote:
ITSMILNER wrote:i can't see anything on that Argos page to say it's HDR though, do all 4K TV's have HDR?

They don't, no.

They're probably going to be out of your price range, but there's a rundown of the best 4K HDR sets courtesy of Samsung, Song and LG, and which are most suitable for gaming, in the HD Thread: t:hdtv-threadcoming-soon?p=4168241#p4168241

If you want a 4K HDR set (rather than a 1080p HDR set from Sony) the cheapest Curry's sell is £419: http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and-hom ... 3-pdt.html

The cheapest from Samsung is £469: http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and-hom ... 1-pdt.html

And the cheapest fron LG £479 (currently in a sale from £699): http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and-hom ... 7-pdt.html

All are branded as HDR, but there's no way of telling you if they're any good or not because these budget sets are rarely reviewed. You would need to see it in store.


Don't buy the LG it's standard def picture was awful. My father in law bought it, returned it for a samsung (possibly the one KK has linked) and that was much better. I can't comment on the HDR quality but SD and HD were better than his old 1080p Sony it replaced.

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by Saint of Killers » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:23 am

KK wrote:The major manufacturers don't make 1080p sets that also accept HDR, though Sony is an exception having launched them this year...with one caveat: they can't guarantee the HDR part will work with a non PS4/Pro source. This is because real HDR is so intrinsically linked with 4K.

Sony have 3 TVs in your price bracket: the RE403 (£350, 720p), RE453 (£550, 1080p) and WE613 (£370, 720p).

The RE453 is currently £469 at various retailers, though I don't know if it's any good.


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by HSH28 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:08 pm

ITSMILNER wrote:Hmmm, as it's only a bedroom TV something like one of those Hisense would be ok to Take advantage of a PS4 Pro?

i can't see anything on that Argos page to say it's HDR though, do all 4K TV's have HDR?


Not only don't they all have HDR, even the ones that do have HDR will all vary wildly. A cheap HDR screen is like night and day next to an expensive one.

If you are going to be using the screen for gaming, you probably ought to be wary of input lag and if you are interested in running in HDR also be wary specifically of the input lag on display modes that support HDR.

Its still quite a minefield out there.

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PostRe: Looking for a new TV, need some help GR
by jawafour » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:38 pm

Some time over the course of the next year I hope to get a new TV for my living room. As HSH says, though, it is a complete minefield. I'm tempted to sack off all this 4K / HDR business and get a relatively cheap 1080p set.

I won't be subscribing to any 4K streaming services, HDR standards are very messy at the moment and I don't plan on getting a Xbox OX anytime soon. I have a PS4 Pro but I'm unconvinced that it has the power to run most games at 4K that well.

The thing that really bugs me about new TVs is the lack of HDMI sockets. I reckon that 1080p sets in the 32" to 40" range should have at least four, but they often only have two or, maybe, three and that feels a bit ropey.

Sorry, Milner, I know that doesn't help much with your choice of set :lol: .

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PostRe: Looking for a new TV, need some help GR
by ITSMILNER » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:06 pm

It does sound like it's a bit of a mixed bag, I just kept hearing HDR looks great and seeing as I had a PS4 Pro I thought it made sense to get a set capable of displaying it.

Maybe I should still to a 1080p full HD set? Does HDR make a massive difference?

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PostRe: Looking for a new TV, need some help GR
by ITSMILNER » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:13 pm

Something like this one

http://www.argos.co.uk/product/6863090

Would this be a good set?

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by jawafour » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:17 pm

ITSMILNER wrote:Something like this one

http://www.argos.co.uk/product/6863090

Would this be a good set?

Probs not that one, dude - it's not a Full HD (1080p) set... even though it has HDR. But, yeah, personally I'd be tempted to get a cheaper 1080p set than 4K. Unless you can make your current set last a wee bit longer and then get a 4K set when prices drop?

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by ITSMILNER » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:51 pm

jawafour wrote:
ITSMILNER wrote:Something like this one

http://www.argos.co.uk/product/6863090

Would this be a good set?

Probs not that one, dude - it's not a Full HD (1080p) set... even though it has HDR. But, yeah, personally I'd be tempted to get a cheaper 1080p set than 4K. Unless you can make your current set last a wee bit longer and then get a 4K set when prices drop?


The screen has gone all funny in the top right side of my current one sadly so can't really use it any more.

What are some good, full HD 1080 HDR sets available?

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by KK » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:10 pm

Only Sony make them.

There's the RE453 Series at £469: https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/tele ... 455-Series
The WE663 Series, also at £469: https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/tele ... 665-Series
And the high end WE753 Series at £599: https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/tele ... 755-series

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by Ironhide » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:29 pm

What is the actual point in HDR?

Call me cynical but it just seems like another gimmick to convince people to buy a new TV every couple of years.

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PostLooking for a new TV, need some help GR
by ITSMILNER » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:30 pm

KK wrote:Only Sony make them.

There's the RE453 Series at £469: https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/tele ... 455-Series
The WE663 Series, also at £469: https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/tele ... 665-Series
And the high end WE753 Series at £599: https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/tele ... 755-series


Are they quite good then? Would the HDR still be an improved even on a non 4K screen?

Which of those would be best for just playing stuff through my PS4 Pro? All streaming i do is through an Amazon Firestick


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by KK » Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:03 pm

They're probably going to be the best 1080p TVs you can buy at this point, but I've not seen HDR on a 720p or 1080p HD TV to comment. On an expensive 4K TV, the improvement is pronounced. On a cheaper 4K set, less so because the technology within the set just isn't there. A lot of manufacturers have just slapped the HDR logo on there because it can accept the format. And then people look at it and go 'well I don't know what the fuss is all about' because it's lacking that "wow!" they were expecting.

HDR is not at a mass market point yet, and not every set will even accept the full array of formats. For example my TV can accept HDR 10 (used for PS4) and Hybrid Log Gamma (broadcast, when it eventually arrives) but not Dolby Vision and Advanced HDR.

The Sony RE435 doesn't have an in-built App Store or WiFi, though it does have USB. It's also currently retailing for the same price as the next model up.

I don't know the input lag for gaming, though Sony are marketing them more for PS4/Pro users who want to dip their toes into HDR gaming.

With no reviews though, I'd definitely go to Curry's or wherever to see it in person.

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