Making a Murderer - Netflix

PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix by KB » Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:59 pm

Ebenezer Splooge wrote:Her ex seems the most likely of the supporting cast to me. Creepy dude.

Isn't this the exact line of thinking that got someone like Avery convicted twice? Not having a go, just a strange attitude to have after watching a show in which someone was very unfairly treated for being an outcast. Looks creepy, probably him.

There's a lot of evidence if you look online that the documentary missed out and it's definitely tailored towards Avery being innocent but even so there was no way you could say he was 100% guilty.

Mantiwoc have a history for it too, unsolved killing of a teenager who was ran over and killed on the night of a major police celebration dinner. Lots of people think he was killed by a drunken officer and everything was done to cover it up.

PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix by **Slimgrady** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:56 am

Oh Avery probably is guilty, the whole worldwide signing petitions thing is ridiculous. I only brought up her ex because someone mentioned that her brother was suspicious looking. He seemed very nervy when testifying, the bit that stood out for me was that he "couldn't recall" the general time of day, be it morning, evening or night, that he last called to her house to collect some boxes, surely he could recall if it was bright or dark at least. So yes, the ex 100% did it!

PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix by **LewisD** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:47 pm

Just watching episode 8..

How can he be guilty of murder, but not guilty of desecrating the corpse?

Is that it? Someone else desecrated the body, but they aren't bothered who!?

PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix by **LewisD** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:58 pm

NVM, they're going after the kid again :/

PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix by **Preezy** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 10:35 pm

Just finished episode 8 myself. Gripping stuff but now that the verdict is done for Avery I've lost all desire to watch the Dassey trial.

Just watched the 5th episode tonight. This is hard to watch sometimes, it's making me so angry - especially how they pressured Brandon into confessing / blaming his uncle.

PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix by **Turboman** » Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:32 am

PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix by **Hypes** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:52 am

Just finished this, what a clusterfuck.

I'd watch a series of Strang and Buting Attorneys at Law.

PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix by **Rubix** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:05 pm

Started watching yesterday, on episode 6 now!

PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix by **Glowy69** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:00 pm

Episode 7 for me tonight. The prosecuting lawyer is a smarmy banana split, if thats how prosecutors act; i.e. not having to produce any evidence I reckon i could do it :lol:

PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix by **Shadow** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:11 pm

Turboman wrote:
I find it really difficult to assume that the police staged the whole thing. Reddit is rife with suggestions of this, but I just can't see a case for that.

I also find it difficult to understand Brandon. Yes I feel really gooseberry fool for what happened to him, but I wonder why he said what he did at all, false confession or not.

Is everyone aware there was DNA from Steven under the bonnet of the vehicle the reporter drove? Also bleach found on Brandon's trousers.

Makes me think the conviction was more fair than the series makes out, but still some horrible work from the police involved

PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix by **Turboman** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:28 am

Shadow wrote:
Turboman wrote:
I find it really difficult to assume that the police staged the whole thing. Reddit is rife with suggestions of this, but I just can't see a case for that.

I also find it difficult to understand Brandon. Yes I feel really gooseberry fool for what happened to him, but I wonder why he said what he did at all, false confession or not.

Is everyone aware there was DNA from Steven under the bonnet of the vehicle the reporter drove? Also bleach found on Brandon's trousers.

Makes me think the conviction was more fair than the series makes out, but still some horrible work from the police involved

I saw an interview with Strang and Buting, where they questioned the validity of this claim. And said reports saying that it was "sweat DNA" were both false and also impossible, as there's no such thing as sweat DNA.

I think the police are in damage control right now and desperately trying to spread stories to shed doubt on the documentary.

I don't know if Avery did it or not, but I don't think the police did anywhere near enough to prove that he did. Their version of events and timeline is completely untrue and ignores key evidnece. The blood and key were definitely planted, I really don't see any way that those things can be genuine. How does he smear his blood everywhere, but leave no fingerprints anywhere? And if he's cleaned his house so well that there's not a sniff of Teresa's DNA, how the hell did he miss big splodges of his own blood all over her car?

And if he owns a car crusher, why leave her car out on a path easily accessed from a public road?

I know the guy isn't bright, but he owns both an incinerator and a car crusher and we're supposed to believe he decided to use neither of those things when he had a car and a body to get rid of?

I was pretty certain they were both innocent but some of the stuff they left out is bizarre.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/m ... sey-856343

A detailed confession from Brendan where he describes putting her in the jeep (which wasn't included) then taking her out to burn stands out for me.

I also don't remember them saying they found a bullet fragment from Stevens gun with her DNA on it when they did.

PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix by **Glowy69** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:58 am

I can't see how he can be found guilty, it strawberry floating pathetic, that prosecutor actually presented to my knowledge no conclusive evidence, there was no blood, no hair, not nothing and if someone is shot in the sodding he'd there would be blood everywhere, the manitowac sheriffs lied under oath, they should have even been there and its blatantly obvious that Mr Lenk planted the strawberry floating key. I was so angry watching it :lol:

And didn't the jury say like 7 of them thought he was not guilty anyway?

Man, that Ken Kratz. What a piece of gooseberry fool. Glad he got what was coming to him when those sex text messages became public

PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix by **Preezy** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:20 pm

I don't get people hating on Kratz. He was just doing his job. He's a lawyer ffs, so of course he's going to play some dirty tactics. People falling into the trap of letting the documentary paint him as the villain, and the sexting stuff was completely irrelevant to the story and was so obviously put in there by Netflix to further make him the bad guy.

I loved the show but thought that was a bit silly to include.

Hmmmm, it may be his job. He is still responsible for locking up two innocent people. For live. One of them a 16 year old at the time. I couldn't live with myself if I had that on my consience.

He said something along the lines that - seeing what kind of person Steven Avery is - he was happy that he was locked away for the rest of his life so society was protected from him.

Well... talking about what kind of person one is and their place in society: I think that abusing prescription drugs, having a sex addiction and a narcissistic personality disorder (what Kratz himself admitted to, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Kratz) makes one unsuitable as a District Attorney

I think the main issue people have with Kratz largely stems from the conflict of interest with the investigation being so closely linked with Manitowoc police. The sexting is completely relevant in that context.

The biggest problem I have with him is his weird effeminate voice. Mother strawberry floater sounds creepy as gooseberry fool.

Regarding the case I think it's pretty clear that the police planted evidence to ensure he was convicted. The key is almost comical and when you put together the phone call Lenk made to run the number plate on Teresa's car and the tampered blood sample in the evidence box it seems obvious that that was planted too. Past that it's pretty difficult to say what actually happened to her.

One of the biggest problems I have with the states case is the remains that were found at the quarry. What, so Steven and his nephew burnt the body in his garden then shovelled up a small portion and drove it over to the quarry to dump? It just doesn't make sense.

PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix by **Photek** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:37 pm

The car key found after the 7th search is so blatantly planted that he should get a mis-trial, not only was the key miraculously not noticed but only avery's dna was on it, not the victims, despite her driving the car with that key for several years, blates was wiped clean and added averys blood, which in turn means they added his blood to the car. The needle hole in the blood sample was strawberry floating mental.

I recently finished Listening to Serial, a similar podcast in which dodgy evidence is used to convict a guy...thing is, I actually think he did it, like blatantly did it.

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