Making a Murderer - Netflix

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by Poser » Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:05 pm

Captain Kinopio wrote:When were they passing each other at the same time? and even if they did they'd still be strangers.


At that bit in the programme when they mentioned that exact thing. Also, I doubt they're strangers, given that one is the step-father of the other.

http://fusion.net/story/249427/netflix- ... -theories/

According to this link, they were also on the Avery property at the same time as Teresa.

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by CuriousOyster » Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:10 pm

Nathanbrains wrote:I can only assume with Brandon's case that there was far more damning stuff in his interviews than the documentary shows. To look simply at what was presented to us it seems obvious that he was pushed into the confessions the police wanted him to make and you'd imagine a jury would come to the same conclusion. In my mind there just has to be more in the early interviews for the jury to return a unanimous guilty verdict.

I also don't think allowing him on the stand did him any favours. The whole 'I read it in a book' thing came across like bullshit regardless of whether it was actually true.


There's a part of a 4 hour interview they didn't show where he describes in detail how they put her in the Rav 4 but then Steven wanted to burn her instead so took her back out to burn her. This was without the investigators mentioning any of that, he came out with that all by himself which speaks volumes and makes me question if he actually did do it.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/m ... sey-856343

POLICE: OK. Let's start with when you bring her out to the garage. Where do you put her?

DASSEY: On the floor.

POLICE: And continue, tell us what happens.

DASSEY: And then he stabs her and then he tells me to and then he puts her into the jeep and then he said he would rather burn her so then he put her back on the floor and then he shot her five times.


New programme on Investigation Discovery "Steven Avery: Innocent or Guilty?" Saturday 30th Jan 10pm. Sky 522 Virgin 253.

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PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix
by Poser » Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:33 pm

Is there any chance at all he was put up to saying these things by his brother and his step-dad?

Mindless speculation, I admit, but not beyond the realms of possibility.

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by Photek » Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:37 pm

Shot her 5 times in the garage and not a spec of blood was found after several days of searches?

EDIT: just watched like 5mins of videos in link and he says he never seen truck and they're like "we know you seen the truck don't lie to us we have evidence" telling that this NEW testimony isn't on tape, after this fact he mentions truck.

Also this person who provided this transcript just ignored a fact:
[Former Avery defense attorney] Dean Strang says there’s no such thing as sweat DNA — that you could never determine whether or not sweat is the source of someone’s DNA.

According to the trial lawyers, sweat was under the hood of Teresa Halbach’s car and it was his sweat.


I find with this case, every 'new revelation' has turned out to be nothing. This is just another case of a red herring, he's prepped about the jeep/truck, quite forcefully. If you are making up a story, you'd have massive inconsistencies as Brendan's testimony is cos when you tell the truth you don't need a good memory.

This is apparently the video where he makes a confession unco-erced (may13th 2006)



I can't find quote above, at 12mins though you can hear him say he never seen truck...

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by Captain Kinopio » Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:02 pm

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Captain Kinopio wrote:When were they passing each other at the same time? and even if they did they'd still be strangers.


At that bit in the programme when they mentioned that exact thing. Also, I doubt they're strangers, given that one is the step-father of the other.

http://fusion.net/story/249427/netflix- ... -theories/

According to this link, they were also on the Avery property at the same time as Teresa.


Ah sorry, I don't know the people's names completely and your original post made it sound like Tadych was Teresa's brother or ex / flat mate.

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PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix
by Hyperion » Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:47 pm

I don't think any of Brendan's testimony can be counted as viable.
Also, I've not heard any reason as to why Avery would kill her.

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PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix
by Nathanbrains » Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:00 pm

I'd not seen this before but it's pretty damning if she's telling the truth.


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by FatDaz » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:49 pm

Hyperion wrote:I don't think any of Brendan's testimony can be counted as viable.
Also, I've not heard any reason as to why Avery would kill her.


This is my biggest issue. Take away his account and what evidence is there? None of the actual physical evidence supported his story. Stabbed in room but No trace of blood or bleach. Ok carried to car and body put in there? No fingerprints or DNA of Brandon who supposedly helped. Taken to garage and shot 5 times in head? No blood or traces of victims DNA anywhere. Even specialist cleaning crews couldn't sterilise a crime scene that well and we have to believe Avery was forensically aware and yet left bones in the fire and the car uncrushed?

Basically any confession needs corroboration otherwise it could be rambling of an insane person. As far as I can see Brandon's story had no supporting evidence, no witnesses , no forensics no cctv . Nothing. If Avery testified naming him it would be one thing, but there wasn't even that!

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PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix
by Slayerx » Sun Feb 07, 2016 5:00 pm

Interesting video.


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PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix
by Photek » Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:26 pm

Good find slayer.

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PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix
by KB » Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:34 pm

Apart from the audio of "the car is here" which is a great find, was everything else in that video not heavily alluded to during the trial?

I mean they were basically saying Pam either knew where the car was through word of mouth or had already seen it there somehow and went back knowing they'd 'find' it.

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PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix
by Slayerx » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:47 pm

You're right I just never even noticed the audio that the video highlights.

With regards his ex coming forward with a sob story I don't believe her at all I think she feels that she can cash in on the documentary.

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by degoose » Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:31 am

FatDaz wrote:
Hyperion wrote:I don't think any of Brendan's testimony can be counted as viable.
Also, I've not heard any reason as to why Avery would kill her.


This is my biggest issue. Take away his account and what evidence is there? None of the actual physical evidence supported his story. Stabbed in room but No trace of blood or bleach. Ok carried to car and body put in there? No fingerprints or DNA of Brandon who supposedly helped. Taken to garage and shot 5 times in head? No blood or traces of victims DNA anywhere. Even specialist cleaning crews couldn't sterilise a crime scene that well and we have to believe Avery was forensically aware and yet left bones in the fire and the car uncrushed?

Basically any confession needs corroboration otherwise it could be rambling of an insane person. As far as I can see Brandon's story had no supporting evidence, no witnesses , no forensics no cctv . Nothing. If Avery testified naming him it would be one thing, but there wasn't even that!

THis is the biggest thing with the U.S courts. You ae pretty more guilty until you prove yourself innocent and you don't even need physical or DNA evidence to put somebody in jail. This is just one of the many strawberry floated up issues with the U.S courts and laws though. For the land of the free it's an archaic mess of a country that i'd never want to live in.

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PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix
by Photek » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:40 am

Having said all of that though, Making a Murderer couldn't be made in the UK or Ireland cos of we don't release case evidence and/or files to the public, the have a level of transparency unseen over here.

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PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix
by Poser » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:50 am

Photek wrote:Having said all of that though, Making a Murderer couldn't be made in the UK or Ireland cos of we don't release case evidence and/or files to the public, the have a level of transparency unseen over here.


I guess the flip side of that is that there is no way in hell that the press conference the Police gave with Brandon and the false confession would ever have taken place here.

It would have been so massively in contempt of court that the trial simply wouldn't have started if Police did that here.

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by Monkey Man » Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:48 pm



Executive producers/directors Laura Ricciardi and Moira Demos are currently in production on new episodes of the series, Netflix announced today. The exact number of episodes has not yet been determined.

The new chapter will go back inside the story of convicted murderer Steven Avery, and his co-defendant, Brendan Dassey, as their respective investigative and legal teams challenge their convictions and the State fights to have the convictions and life sentences upheld.

The new installment will provide an in-depth look at the high-stakes post-conviction process, as well as, the emotional toll the process takes on all involved, Netflix says.

The episodes will offer exclusive access to Avery’s new lawyer Kathleen Zellner and Dassey’s legal team, led by Laura Nirider and Steve Drizin, as well as intimate access to the families and characters close to the case.


The docu-series chronicled — and questioned — the murder convictions of Avery and his nephew. After its premiere on December 18, the series garnered huge attention from the public and press.

“We are extremely grateful for the tremendous response to, and support of, the series. The viewers’ interest and attention has ensured that the story is not over, and we are fully committed to continuing to document events as they unfold” said creators, Ricciardi and Demos.

“Because of Ricciardi’s and Demos’ incredible vision, commitment and keen eye, audiences around the globe became completely captivated by the personal stories of Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey and the unique lens their experiences provide into the criminal justice system” said Lisa Nishimura, Netflix VP of Original Documentary Programming. “We’re thrilled to be continuing our longstanding relationship with the filmmakers, and look forward to giving our global viewers eagerly anticipated updates on this story.”

http://deadline.com/2016/07/making-a-mu ... 201788746/

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PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix
by PuppetBoy » Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:12 pm

Interesting news- Brendan Dassey's murder conviction has been overturned.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37066686

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by Kanbei » Fri Aug 12, 2016 11:00 pm

PuppetBoy wrote:Interesting news- Brendan Dassey's murder conviction has been overturned.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37066686


I can understand the doubt about Steven Avery's guilt or innocence.

There is absolutely no doubt about Brendan.

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PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix
by Photek » Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:20 am

If the state drops its case for Dassey, Avery will get a retrial I reckon.

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PostRe: Making a Murderer - Netflix
by Poser » Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:26 am

Picture the scene: Brendan Dassey walks free, surrounded by reporters. He gives an interview, then as he walks away, straightens his back, looks back and winks right down the camera...

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