Making a Murderer - Netflix

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by Turboman » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:39 pm

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Photek wrote:The car key found after the 7th search is so blatantly planted that he should get a mis-trial, not only was the key miraculously not noticed but only avery's dna was on it, not the victims, despite her driving the car with that key for several years, blates was wiped clean and added averys blood, which in turn means they added his blood to the car. The needle hole in the blood sample was strawberry floating mental.

I recently finished Listening to Serial, a similar podcast in which dodgy evidence is used to convict a guy...thing is, I actually think he did it, like blatantly did it.

When you first take the blood it gets in the tube using a needle. The hole doesn't seem to me to be that big an issue.
There is blood in an unnatural place at the lid of the bottle though, so I still think evidence it was tampered with


I thought they made the point that they wouldn't ever use a needle on a tube?

I believe they did at some point, but to get the blood into a vacuum blood bottle in the first place you need a needle.
This is how the majority of blood tests work across the world.
The needle going into the arm is attached to a second , hidden needle, which punctures the bottle and delivers the blood to the tube. This means you shouldn't have to remove the cap (which it looks like someone has done)
It doesn't make sense for the bottles to be used in another way

Errkal wrote:It is amasing how people dont seem to be abel to do that.
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by Miguel007 » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:52 pm

Finished this and was an entertaining watch, so addictive. So much unproved unbelievable, I just feel sorry for nearly everyone involved.

Two daft things stood out to me: Ken Kratz reminded me of Percy Pringle aka Paul Bearer of WWE fame (big man with girls voice) & the victims brother criticising Avery for not taking the stand and speaking more on the mic as he implies he loves the limelight, that's rich coming from Him, he who shows no emotion whatsoever and jumps at the chance to give interviews to the press, like its the normal thing to do, once your sisters been brutally murdered (he was well weird).

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by Rubix » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:53 pm

Just watching episode 9. flying through these

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by Slayerx » Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:57 am

Someone on Facebook made this observation.


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by Fargo » Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:52 am

Similarly.

Someone pointed out to me that if you look at a blown up high res version of this pic you can see the key she was using was on a key chain with more than one key.

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by FatDaz » Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:24 pm

Having finished this in utterly shocked at the outcomes given what was blatant corruption and evidence tampering. Whether Steven is guilty or not I can't be sure,

I'm leaning toward him being innocent but that leaves more questions.

But for me the way Brendan Was treated is despicable . He was a low intelligence kid who was repeatedly bullied into saying what they wanted to hearing his own lawyer screwed him over in the worst possible way.

The fact he was convicted on the basis of his "confession" without a single scrap of physical evidence to support his multiple varying and differing accounts is shocking!

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by Shadow » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:22 pm

What does the police community think of the documentary, Daz? Just that those few cops were corrupt and others had to back them up?

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by Poser » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:59 pm

Anyone read the theory that he was framed by two/three separate parties, independently of each other?

It makes a lot of sense. Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey kill and burn her at the quarry, then dump the bones in the burn pit, and hide the car at the back of the car lot.

The brother - and this is why he is shifty - knows she was last seen at the scrap yard, so they sneak in and find the car. This is why a separate member of the search term goes straight to it.

They bring in Colborn for help/advice, and it's at this point that he makes the mistake of calling in the car licence plates before it's 'missing'.

So the Police actually believe he did it, based on the bones and the approx timeline (ie her last known location) and plant the key and the blood evidence to shore up the story.

Tadych and Bobby Dassey can't believe their luck when blood and the key show up. This is why Tadych describes the verdict as the best thing that has ever happened.


This makes so much sense. It beats the idea that the Police killed Teresa, or that they were framing an innocent man. They just thought they were planting evidence to ensure the conviction of a guilty man.

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by Shadow » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:05 pm

I think there's got to be something in deleting her messages though..

Maybe her ex left her an angry message and then gooseberry fool himself when she went missing so deleted it so he wouldn't be a suspect?

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by Mockmaster » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:49 pm

Ken Kratz has been doing the media rounds in a variety of interviews. This one is quite unexpected...


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by Captain Kinopio » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:58 pm

Poser wrote:Anyone read the theory that he was framed by two/three separate parties, independently of each other?

It makes a lot of sense. Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey kill and burn her at the quarry, then dump the bones in the burn pit, and hide the car at the back of the car lot.

The brother - and this is why he is shifty - knows she was last seen at the scrap yard, so they sneak in and find the car. This is why a separate member of the search term goes straight to it.

They bring in Colborn for help/advice, and it's at this point that he makes the mistake of calling in the car licence plates before it's 'missing'.

So the Police actually believe he did it, based on the bones and the approx timeline (ie her last known location) and plant the key and the blood evidence to shore up the story.

Tadych and Bobby Dassey can't believe their luck when blood and the key show up. This is why Tadych describes the verdict as the best thing that has ever happened.


This makes so much sense. It beats the idea that the Police killed Teresa, or that they were framing an innocent man. They just thought they were planting evidence to ensure the conviction of a guilty man.


It makes no sense at all, why do two complete strangers get together and kill her.

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by Preezy » Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:19 pm

Everyone loves a conspiracy.

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by Poser » Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:21 pm

Captain Kinopio wrote:
Poser wrote:Anyone read the theory that he was framed by two/three separate parties, independently of each other?

It makes a lot of sense. Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey kill and burn her at the quarry, then dump the bones in the burn pit, and hide the car at the back of the car lot.

The brother - and this is why he is shifty - knows she was last seen at the scrap yard, so they sneak in and find the car. This is why a separate member of the search term goes straight to it.

They bring in Colborn for help/advice, and it's at this point that he makes the mistake of calling in the car licence plates before it's 'missing'.

So the Police actually believe he did it, based on the bones and the approx timeline (ie her last known location) and plant the key and the blood evidence to shore up the story.

Tadych and Bobby Dassey can't believe their luck when blood and the key show up. This is why Tadych describes the verdict as the best thing that has ever happened.


This makes so much sense. It beats the idea that the Police killed Teresa, or that they were framing an innocent man. They just thought they were planting evidence to ensure the conviction of a guilty man.


It makes no sense at all, why do two complete strangers get together and kill her.


The two strangers that were confirmed to be passing at the exact time, and who gave each other an alibi?

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by Captain Kinopio » Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:25 pm

When were they passing each other at the same time? and even if they did they'd still be strangers.

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by FatDaz » Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:00 am

Shadow wrote:What does the police community think of the documentary, Daz? Just that those few cops were corrupt and others had to back them up?


Can't speak for everyone but most people I've spoken to agree that Lt lenk and Sgt Colburn were blatantly planting evidence and corrupt as they come. In fact I very much think most of the manitowec county sheriffs department were complicit in the cover up. The sheriff clearly held a grudge after the 85 incident still refusing to accept he was innocent despite the DNA proving him 100% innocent.

I feel the officers from the other county who came to deal probably weren't involved but at the same time probably weren't told why manitowec shouldn't be involved. Therefore they wouldn't have been watching them closely or even contemplating the notion of evidence tampering.


But like most police throughout the world I don't believe in coincidence. It's far too convenient that when Avery was on the verge of a big civil lawsuit that would have personally affected many of the local officers, that those very same officers should find themselves at the centre of the investigation and being involved in "key" evidence which effectively ended his civil lawsuit and left them in the clear.

Now I don't believe the police would go as far as murder to save themselves but it's clear they were pushing the investigation toward Avery.

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:03 am

FatDaz wrote:Now I don't believe the police would go as far as murder to save themselves but it's clear they were pushing the investigation toward Avery.


That's pretty much where I am. I don't believe at all that the police would murder somebody just to frame Avery, but I think there's a good chance they used an existing crime in order to "get him". That doesn't make Avery innocent (he might have done it and they just ensured there was enough evidence) but it does make the conviction unsafe. Brandon was in the wrong place at the wrong time, I don't believe he did anything at all. All imo of course.

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by FatDaz » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:17 am

Moggy wrote:
FatDaz wrote:Now I don't believe the police would go as far as murder to save themselves but it's clear they were pushing the investigation toward Avery.


That's pretty much where I am. I don't believe at all that the police would murder somebody just to frame Avery, but I think there's a good chance they used an existing crime in order to "get him". That doesn't make Avery innocent (he might have done it and they just ensured there was enough evidence) but it does make the conviction unsafe. Brandon was in the wrong place at the wrong time, I don't believe he did anything at all. All imo of course.


To my knowledge there was not a scrap of physical evidence against Brandon. His "confession"
Changed multiple times and his timeline was all wrong. There was nothing but his own word that found him guilty and that was bullied out of him both by police and his own defence team. As bad as it is for Avery, there was at least physical evidence (albeit dodgy and dubious) but poor Brandon got swallowed up by a system he didn't understand and when he did it was too late.

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:48 am

FatDaz wrote:
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FatDaz wrote:Now I don't believe the police would go as far as murder to save themselves but it's clear they were pushing the investigation toward Avery.


That's pretty much where I am. I don't believe at all that the police would murder somebody just to frame Avery, but I think there's a good chance they used an existing crime in order to "get him". That doesn't make Avery innocent (he might have done it and they just ensured there was enough evidence) but it does make the conviction unsafe. Brandon was in the wrong place at the wrong time, I don't believe he did anything at all. All imo of course.


To my knowledge there was not a scrap of physical evidence against Brandon. His "confession"
Changed multiple times and his timeline was all wrong. There was nothing but his own word that found him guilty and that was bullied out of him both by police and his own defence team. As bad as it is for Avery, there was at least physical evidence (albeit dodgy and dubious) but poor Brandon got swallowed up by a system he didn't understand and when he did it was too late.


Yep, 100% this.

Brandon's case just made no sense. I think he happened to be in the interview room at the wrong time and the police just decided to question him not as a potential witness but as a suspect. It was very easy to get him to say anything that they wanted. Poor kid. :cry:

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by Nathanbrains » Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:28 pm

I can only assume with Brandon's case that there was far more damning stuff in his interviews than the documentary shows. To look simply at what was presented to us it seems obvious that he was pushed into the confessions the police wanted him to make and you'd imagine a jury would come to the same conclusion. In my mind there just has to be more in the early interviews for the jury to return a unanimous guilty verdict.

I also don't think allowing him on the stand did him any favours. The whole 'I read it in a book' thing came across like bullshit regardless of whether it was actually true.


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