Malaysian Airlines Plane Crashes in Ukraine

[iup=3513467]SquintyMcSquint[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3512723]Moggy[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3512528]Cuban Pete[/iup] wrote:It's going to go all Rocky IV isn't it.

An amazing montage followed by everything turning out great?

A Vince Di Cola soundtrack? Sign me up.

Putin scares the gooseberry fool out of me. Kudos to Cameron for actually doing something, no matter how inconsequential it will probably be.

What did Cameron say?

Also did you people see the Biden thing?

US vice president Joe Biden (2011) wrote:"I said, 'Mr Prime Minister (Putin), I'm looking into your eyes, and I don't think you have a soul'," Biden told the magazine. "He looked back at me, and he smiled, and he said 'we understand one another'."

[iup=3513447]Alvin Flummux[/iup] wrote:Can you differentiate between a passenger jet and a military cargo plane from 30-40,000 feet away?

No, but then again, I wouldn't be firing a surface to air missile at a plane unless I knew exactly who it was.

I think training helps a lot in being able to identify it but in a modern army anyway its all about a linked system so while they might not have been able to with just a buk launcher with the added command post they could of or additional assets

[iup=3513448]Poser[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3513447]Alvin Flummux[/iup] wrote:Can you differentiate between a passenger jet and a military cargo plane from 30-40,000 feet away?

Experts said at the time that it was basically impossible.

Really, I thought the guy on BBC News said all you'd need is a pair of binoculars and you could tell quite easily. Certainly if you were going to shoot a plane out the sky you'd think a cursory look to check it wasn't a strawberry floating passenger jet would be common sense. But then strawberry float knows what's going through here banana splits minds.

Once you get a lock on it comes up with the exact model of plane, if my training has taught me anything. The passenger plane must have already used all of its flares, sadly.

[iup=3513448]Poser[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3513447]Alvin Flummux[/iup] wrote:Can you differentiate between a passenger jet and a military cargo plane from 30-40,000 feet away?

Experts said at the time that it was basically impossible.

Surely that's exactly what Secondary Radar (or IFF in military terms) does? I know British anti-air systems use the squawk code to identify civilian or military aircraft, as military aircraft operate in special IFF modes.

[iup=3513838]Somebody Else's Problem[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3513448]Poser[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3513447]Alvin Flummux[/iup] wrote:Can you differentiate between a passenger jet and a military cargo plane from 30-40,000 feet away?

Experts said at the time that it was basically impossible.

Surely that's exactly what Secondary Radar (or IFF in military terms) does? I know British anti-air systems use the squawk code to identify civilian or military aircraft, as military aircraft operate in special IFF modes.

Which makes it all the more less likely it was the Russians and instead the seperatists. I'd assume the Russians would have the tech at the same level, or close to us. strawberry float since the fall of the USSR we probably sold some of it to em.

Rebs

The family of the victims have been calling their loved ones phones, which have been answered by looters :fp:

Algerian plane has gone missing now.

In Ukraine?

[iup=3514916]PES Fan[/iup] wrote:Algerian plane has gone missing now.

Any source?

[iup=3514917]Hyperion[/iup] wrote:In Ukraine?

Just had a look - no.

That's the route it was taking.

[iup=3513838]Somebody Else's Problem[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3513448]Poser[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3513447]Alvin Flummux[/iup] wrote:Can you differentiate between a passenger jet and a military cargo plane from 30-40,000 feet away?

Experts said at the time that it was basically impossible.

Surely that's exactly what Secondary Radar (or IFF in military terms) does? I know British anti-air systems use the squawk code to identify civilian or military aircraft, as military aircraft operate in special IFF modes.

Sorry, to clarify, I misread Alvin's question and inserted the words 'the naked eye'. There was an aviation guy on 5Live on the afternoon it happened saying that to someone on the ground, any plane would basically be a speck with vapour trails.

But yeah, if they used tech, they should have known/checked. Of course, this assumes they knew how to use the tech they clearly had at their disposal.

[iup=3514919]Mini E[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3514916]PES Fan[/iup] wrote:Algerian plane has gone missing now.

Any source?

twitter.com/skynews/status/492244637818839040

It's right there, in the picture.

This is a bad year to fly. Planes going down in Thailand and Ukraine, and disappearing over Africa and the Indian Ocean. :dread:

Surely there's another method of tracking planes that can be used alongside radar.

Jesus, air travel numbers are going to plummet.

It's a Swiftair plane.

Skynews google imaging Algerian airlines and using the first image they find :fp:

Shockingly bad News group.

[iup=3515013]1cmanny1[/iup] wrote:Jesus, air travel numbers are going to plummet.

Amazing turn of phrase there, manny. :fp:

Malaysian Airlines Plane Crashes in Ukraine

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