[MCU Thread] - Spider-Man Homecoming out 5 July

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PostRe: [MCU Thread] - Spider-Man Homecoming out 5 July
by Dual » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:42 am

Mafro wrote:Six Spider-Man films and two reboots in the space of ten years might have something to do with it. Love Marvel films but I'm still not remotely arsed about this one.


Same.
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by Buffalo » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:55 am

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PostRe: [MCU Thread] - Spider-Man Homecoming out 5 July
by Death's Head » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:47 pm

I wonder if people are put off thinking it is going to be a retelling of Spiderman's origins? Shame if so because they would be missing out. As for Spiderman fatigue, what about James Bond fatigue? That doesn't seem to suffer the same, even though some of the recent films are poor in comparison.

I really can't see anyone watching this and then leaving the cinema disappointed.
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PostRe: [MCU Thread] - Spider-Man Homecoming out 5 July
by DML » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:20 pm

I just don't think the wider audience care enough for yet another reboot.
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by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:25 pm

Dual wrote:
Mafro wrote:Six Spider-Man films and two reboots in the space of ten years might have something to do with it. Love Marvel films but I'm still not remotely arsed about this one.


Same.


That's a shame as it's one of the best marvel film ever.
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PostRe: [MCU Thread] - Spider-Man Homecoming out 5 July
by Dual » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:27 pm

I'll see it at some point no doubt just looking at what's out at the cinema atm and there's other movies I would rather see over another Spiderman film.

The new planet of the apes film for example.
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PostRe: [MCU Thread] - Spider-Man Homecoming out 5 July
by Corazon de Leon » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:07 pm

Homecoming has every chance of making as much money as the original Spider-Man. Even the biggest money-maker - Spider-Man 3 - managed $890 million; After two weekends the latest one is bubbling just under $500 million and although it's dropped off from opening weekend, is still making good money. It should easily best AMS2 and rival the first two Raimi films.
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by Death's Head » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:31 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Dual wrote:
Mafro wrote:Six Spider-Man films and two reboots in the space of ten years might have something to do with it. Love Marvel films but I'm still not remotely arsed about this one.


Same.


That's a shame as it's one of the best marvel film ever.

It isn't exactly a reboot, it is a Spider-man film with a different actor playing Spider-man, fighting a villain previously not seen. When a new actor plays James Bond, is that a reboot?

I would say it was a reboot if it told the same story as a previous Spider-man film, which it doesn't.

*edit* quoted the wrong person, strawberry floating phone etc
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PostRe: [MCU Thread] - Spider-Man Homecoming out 5 July
by Mafro » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:14 pm

Death's Head wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Dual wrote:
Mafro wrote:Six Spider-Man films and two reboots in the space of ten years might have something to do with it. Love Marvel films but I'm still not remotely arsed about this one.


Same.


That's a shame as it's one of the best marvel film ever.

It isn't exactly a reboot, it is a Spider-man film with a different actor playing Spider-man, fighting a villain previously not seen. When a new actor plays James Bond, is that a reboot?

I would say it was a reboot if it told the same story as a previous Spider-man film, which it doesn't.

*edit* quoted the wrong person, strawberry floating phone etc

It's the very definition of a reboot of a franchise, new actors playing legacy characters in a completely new and different universe than the previous two films. I don't know how you could argue otherwise.

James Bond films pretty much all took place in the same linear timeline until the Daniel Craig ones where it was basically rebooted to be more grounded in reality. And they reintroduced characters like Felix Leiter, Moneypenny, Q and Blofeld.
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PostRe: [MCU Thread] - Spider-Man Homecoming out 5 July
by DML » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:25 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:Homecoming has every chance of making as much money as the original Spider-Man. Even the biggest money-maker - Spider-Man 3 - managed $890 million; After two weekends the latest one is bubbling just under $500 million and although it's dropped off from opening weekend, is still making good money. It should easily best AMS2 and rival the first two Raimi films.


Take into account inflation though and it won't come even close.
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PostRe: [MCU Thread] - Spider-Man Homecoming out 5 July
by Jamo3103 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:35 pm

Mafro wrote:
Death's Head wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Dual wrote:
Mafro wrote:Six Spider-Man films and two reboots in the space of ten years might have something to do with it. Love Marvel films but I'm still not remotely arsed about this one.


Same.


That's a shame as it's one of the best marvel film ever.

It isn't exactly a reboot, it is a Spider-man film with a different actor playing Spider-man, fighting a villain previously not seen. When a new actor plays James Bond, is that a reboot?

I would say it was a reboot if it told the same story as a previous Spider-man film, which it doesn't.

*edit* quoted the wrong person, strawberry floating phone etc

It's the very definition of a reboot of a franchise, new actors playing legacy characters in a completely new and different universe than the previous two films. I don't know how you could argue otherwise.

James Bond films pretty much all took place in the same linear timeline until the Daniel Craig ones where it was basically rebooted to be more grounded in reality. And they reintroduced characters like Felix Leiter, Moneypenny, Q and Blofeld.


I'd agree that it's a reboot in the sense you define but unlike the previous two reboots it has a very different starting point, completely negating the origin story. That is something which, along with being part of the MCU (presence of Iron Man, references to previous MCU films), makes it feel like an entirely fresh and unique film.

I have enjoyed all the previous Spiderman films, particularly the Raimi ones but this is on a different level. Tom Holland does what nobody before him managed and absolutely nails both the characters of Spiderman and Peter Parker, I can understand some people feeling a little bit of Spiderman fatigue (even superhero fatigue, we get a hell of a lot these days after all!) but honestly to me this felt as fresh as an entirely new franchise or hero would do. I feel for anybody who misses out on it because it's probably amongst my favourite MCU films to date.
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PostRe: RE: Re: [MCU Thread] - Spider-Man Homecoming out 5 July
by Death's Head » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:53 pm

Mafro wrote:
Death's Head wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Dual wrote:
Mafro wrote:Six Spider-Man films and two reboots in the space of ten years might have something to do with it. Love Marvel films but I'm still not remotely arsed about this one.


Same.


That's a shame as it's one of the best marvel film ever.

It isn't exactly a reboot, it is a Spider-man film with a different actor playing Spider-man, fighting a villain previously not seen. When a new actor plays James Bond, is that a reboot?

I would say it was a reboot if it told the same story as a previous Spider-man film, which it doesn't.

*edit* quoted the wrong person, strawberry floating phone etc

It's the very definition of a reboot of a franchise, new actors playing legacy characters in a completely new and different universe than the previous two films. I don't know how you could argue otherwise.

James Bond films pretty much all took place in the same linear timeline until the Daniel Craig ones where it was basically rebooted to be more grounded in reality. And they reintroduced characters like Felix Leiter, Moneypenny, Q and Blofeld.

All in the same Marvel universe. My definition of a reboot would be where the starting point is the retelling of a previous film, not something this one does.
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PostRe: [MCU Thread] - Spider-Man Homecoming out 5 July
by BID0 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:19 pm

It's The Incredible Hulk, but with Spider-Man.

Jumps straight in to a story which is more like a part 2 of a trilogy than an origin movie. Civil War possibly had more set up for the character than this movie does.
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PostRe: [MCU Thread] - Spider-Man Homecoming out 5 July
by Corazon de Leon » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:52 pm

DML wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:Homecoming has every chance of making as much money as the original Spider-Man. Even the biggest money-maker - Spider-Man 3 - managed $890 million; After two weekends the latest one is bubbling just under $500 million and although it's dropped off from opening weekend, is still making good money. It should easily best AMS2 and rival the first two Raimi films.


Take into account inflation though and it won't come even close.


Fair point, I didn't consider inflation.

I don't necessarily disagree, but I reckon it won't be as far off as you might think in terms of worldwide gross - inflation adds about 200 mill to Spider-Man and $150 mill to Spider-Man 3(the highest grossing of the five), so the targets are adjusted to $1.14 billion for Spider-Man and $1.049 billion for 3. I reckon Homecoming will break about $800 million, which isn't bad for the seventh film featuring the character in fifteen years - hold the sequel off until 2020 and it could break a billion again IMO.
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PostRe: [MCU Thread] - Spider-Man Homecoming out 5 July
by Mafro » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:53 pm

Death's Head wrote:
Mafro wrote:
Death's Head wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Dual wrote:
Mafro wrote:Six Spider-Man films and two reboots in the space of ten years might have something to do with it. Love Marvel films but I'm still not remotely arsed about this one.


Same.


That's a shame as it's one of the best marvel film ever.

It isn't exactly a reboot, it is a Spider-man film with a different actor playing Spider-man, fighting a villain previously not seen. When a new actor plays James Bond, is that a reboot?

I would say it was a reboot if it told the same story as a previous Spider-man film, which it doesn't.

*edit* quoted the wrong person, strawberry floating phone etc

It's the very definition of a reboot of a franchise, new actors playing legacy characters in a completely new and different universe than the previous two films. I don't know how you could argue otherwise.

James Bond films pretty much all took place in the same linear timeline until the Daniel Craig ones where it was basically rebooted to be more grounded in reality. And they reintroduced characters like Felix Leiter, Moneypenny, Q and Blofeld.

All in the same Marvel universe. My definition of a reboot would be where the starting point is the retelling of a previous film, not something this one does.

"In serial fiction, to reboot means to discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning. The term is used with respect to various different forms of fictional media such as comic books, television series, video games and films among others."

End of discussion.
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PostRe: RE: Re: [MCU Thread] - Spider-Man Homecoming out 5 July
by Death's Head » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:51 am

Mafro wrote:
Death's Head wrote:
Mafro wrote:
Death's Head wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Dual wrote:
Mafro wrote:Six Spider-Man films and two reboots in the space of ten years might have something to do with it. Love Marvel films but I'm still not remotely arsed about this one.


Same.


That's a shame as it's one of the best marvel film ever.

It isn't exactly a reboot, it is a Spider-man film with a different actor playing Spider-man, fighting a villain previously not seen. When a new actor plays James Bond, is that a reboot?

I would say it was a reboot if it told the same story as a previous Spider-man film, which it doesn't.

*edit* quoted the wrong person, strawberry floating phone etc

It's the very definition of a reboot of a franchise, new actors playing legacy characters in a completely new and different universe than the previous two films. I don't know how you could argue otherwise.

James Bond films pretty much all took place in the same linear timeline until the Daniel Craig ones where it was basically rebooted to be more grounded in reality. And they reintroduced characters like Felix Leiter, Moneypenny, Q and Blofeld.

All in the same Marvel universe. My definition of a reboot would be where the starting point is the retelling of a previous film, not something this one does.

"In serial fiction, to reboot means to discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning. The term is used with respect to various different forms of fictional media such as comic books, television series, video games and films among others."

End of discussion.


1) That is just someone's definition you choose to agree with.
2) No backstory in this movie. The backstory comes from The first Avengers film and Civil War. In the definition above I would say that Civil War was the reboot for Spider-Man and that this is the first film after the reboot.

It sounds to me that you are just looking to justify why a film you've not seen is going to be a film you won't enjoy.

You are right though, this should be the end of this particular discussion, at least until you've seen it.
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PostRe: [MCU Thread] - Spider-Man Homecoming out 5 July
by Mafro » Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:19 am

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PostRe: [MCU Thread] - Spider-Man Homecoming out 5 July
by BID0 » Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:38 am

Corazon de Leon wrote:
DML wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:Homecoming has every chance of making as much money as the original Spider-Man. Even the biggest money-maker - Spider-Man 3 - managed $890 million; After two weekends the latest one is bubbling just under $500 million and although it's dropped off from opening weekend, is still making good money. It should easily best AMS2 and rival the first two Raimi films.


Take into account inflation though and it won't come even close.


Fair point, I didn't consider inflation.

I don't necessarily disagree, but I reckon it won't be as far off as you might think in terms of worldwide gross - inflation adds about 200 mill to Spider-Man and $150 mill to Spider-Man 3(the highest grossing of the five), so the targets are adjusted to $1.14 billion for Spider-Man and $1.049 billion for 3. I reckon Homecoming will break about $800 million, which isn't bad for the seventh film featuring the character in fifteen years - hold the sequel off until 2020 and it could break a billion again IMO.

The next Spider-Man is out directly after Avengers 4 and it takes plates minutes after that movies story. So it'll probably due huge numbers thanks to that like Iron Man 3 did from riding off of Avengers 1.
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PostRe: [MCU Thread] - Spider-Man Homecoming out 5 July
by Corazon de Leon » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:35 am

BID0 wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:
DML wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:Homecoming has every chance of making as much money as the original Spider-Man. Even the biggest money-maker - Spider-Man 3 - managed $890 million; After two weekends the latest one is bubbling just under $500 million and although it's dropped off from opening weekend, is still making good money. It should easily best AMS2 and rival the first two Raimi films.


Take into account inflation though and it won't come even close.


Fair point, I didn't consider inflation.

I don't necessarily disagree, but I reckon it won't be as far off as you might think in terms of worldwide gross - inflation adds about 200 mill to Spider-Man and $150 mill to Spider-Man 3(the highest grossing of the five), so the targets are adjusted to $1.14 billion for Spider-Man and $1.049 billion for 3. I reckon Homecoming will break about $800 million, which isn't bad for the seventh film featuring the character in fifteen years - hold the sequel off until 2020 and it could break a billion again IMO.

The next Spider-Man is out directly after Avengers 4 and it takes plates minutes after that movies story. So it'll probably due huge numbers thanks to that like Iron Man 3 did from riding off of Avengers 1.


After posting that I noticed the 2019 release date for the Spider-sequel. Don't know how happy with that I am, but I thoroughly enjoyed this and I guess they need to blast out high school themed sequels quickly before the main actors look too old, so I guess it's no bad thing. :lol:
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