Paid content in videogames (DLC, season passes, micro transactions and loot boxes)

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by Trelliz » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:48 pm

Protip: last year's overwatch halloween skins are down to 1000 each.

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by Gemini73 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:54 pm

BioWare designer on MTs

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017- ... netisation

You need to understand the amount of money that's at play with microtransactions. I'm not allowed to say the number but I can tell you that when Mass Effect 3 multiplayer came out, those card packs we were selling, the amount of money we made just off those card packs was so significant that's the reason Dragon Age has multiplayer, that's the reason other EA products started getting multiplayer that hadn't really had them before, because we nailed it and brought in a ton of money. It's repeatable income versus one-time income.

"I've seen people literally spend $15,000 on Mass Effect multiplayer cards.


Yeah, microtransactions etc aren't going anywhere and unless some kind of regulation is brought in how they're delivered won't change either.

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by OrangeRakoon » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:10 pm

"I've seen people literally spend $15,000 on Mass Effect multiplayer cards.


This is almost certainly not okay

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by Karl » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:08 pm

It doesn't surprise me, but I am appalled. They should not have continued to take that person's money.

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by Hexx » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:12 pm

I hope they got the Ultra Rare character they wanted :(

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by Trelliz » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:55 pm

Karl wrote:It doesn't surprise me, but I am appalled. They should not have continued to take that person's money.


But karl, its all about player choice and convenience, maybe they were put off by such a big game but wanted to see all of it? EA were just being generous in...no i can't continue this ironic devils advocating.

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by Cuttooth » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:28 pm

As an aside to that news, that episode of Waypoint Radio is amazing and I would recommend everyone gives it a listen. That guy talks a lot on exactly these issues, especially at EA.

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by Tafdolphin » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:08 pm

Cuttooth wrote:As an aside to that news, that episode of Waypoint Radio is amazing and I would recommend everyone gives it a listen. That guy talks a lot on exactly these issues, especially at EA.


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by OrangeRakoon » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:31 pm

Karl wrote:It doesn't surprise me, but I am appalled. They should not have continued to take that person's money.


I agree. Unless it was Bill Gates and he just wanted to show his support for the game

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PostRe: Paid content in videogames (DLC, season passes, micro transactions and loot boxes)
by Moggy » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:03 am

OrangeRakoon wrote:
"I've seen people literally spend $15,000 on Mass Effect multiplayer cards.


This is almost certainly not okay


Maybe it was Zimbabwean dollars?

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by Cheeky Devlin » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:32 am



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by Gemini73 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:30 am

Yep, that was suitably depressing. Still, I've never bought into mobile games and I've recently stopped buying new releases from the AAA industry.

One can only hope that Jim is right (again) and the whole repugnant shithouse that the AAA industry has become comes crashing down around their ears.

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by Hime » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:32 am

Gemini73 wrote:Yep, that was suitably depressing. Still, I've never bought into mobile games and I've recently stopped buying new releases from the AAA industry.

One can only hope that Jim is right (again) and the whole repugnant shithouse that the AAA industry has become comes crashing down around their ears.

Dat hyperbole.

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by Trelliz » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:20 am

Gemini73 wrote:Yep, that was suitably depressing. Still, I've never bought into mobile games and I've recently stopped buying new releases from the AAA industry.

One can only hope that Jim is right (again) and the whole repugnant shithouse that the AAA industry has become comes crashing down around their ears.


Unfortunately I doubt that will happen to such an extent; we've had the mmo crash where all the post-warcraft bandwagoneers either closed or went free to play as well as the MOBA crash with many games trying and failing to get the league/dota money. Mobile gaming and their business models are so unbelievably lucrative that there is no reason for them to stop and it slowly becoming the norm.

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PostRe: Paid content in videogames (DLC, season passes, micro transactions and loot boxes)
by OrangeRakoon » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:40 am

I've never watched a jimquisition video that I've liked or even really agreed with

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by Gemini73 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:04 pm

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OrangeRakoon wrote:I've never watched a jimquisition video that I've liked or even really agreed with


I'm not a huge follower of Jim's channel and find he does drone on a bit, but he does hit the nail on the head from time to time.

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by Trelliz » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:19 pm

OrangeRakoon wrote:I've never watched a jimquisition video that I've liked or even really agreed with


So none of the stuff about corporate chicanery, anti-consumer practices, egregious microtransactions or general problems like steam's open door policy to awful asset-flippers are a problem?

Edit: worked on this after watching jim's latest:

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Choose games. Choose a console. Choose a strawberry floating big day 1 dlc schedule, choose unrepresentative footage, special editions, retailer-exclusive preorders, steelbooks, and collectable statues. Choose a limited edition controller in a range of strawberry floating colours. Choose spending hundreds on lootboxes and wondering who the strawberry float you are on Saturday evening. Choose sitting on that couch playing mind-numbing, wallet-crushing games, stuffing strawberry floating junk food that comes with xp boost and item codes on the box into your mouth. Choose youtubers shilling their own unregulated gambling sites to children. Choose the industry rotting away at the end of it all, pissing its last in a miserable state, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, strawberry floated up games as service platforms it spawned to continue itself. Choose your future.

Tragic Magic wrote:RTCW is a mega plex of origami, you young bugger, enjoy the taste.
Women are so lovely.

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PostRe: Paid content in videogames (DLC, season passes, micro transactions and loot boxes)
by Hime » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:35 pm

Choose to ignore the optional loot boxes, DLC and pre order guff and enjoy gaming.

*edit* You make some good points and there are some practises that we need to be wary of but there is a lot of manufactured controversy here. Some of this reeks of the same nonsense that was spouted about FIFA and COD ruining gaming which amounted to nothing more than hard-core gamers getting butt hurt because they didn't like something that was popular.

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by OrangeRakoon » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:57 pm

Trelliz wrote:So none of the stuff about corporate chicanery, anti-consumer practices, egregious microtransactions or general problems like steam's open door policy to awful asset-flippers are a problem?


I generally disagree with the hysterical way he approaches these issues. It's very reactionary and exaggerating.

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PostRe: Paid content in videogames (DLC, season passes, micro transactions and loot boxes)
by jawafour » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:43 pm

OrangeRakoon wrote:I generally disagree with the hysterical way (Jim Sterling) approaches these issues. It's very reactionary and exaggerating.

I dunno, OR... to be honest, I think you have to act in that style to get some kinda attention onto the subject. There seems to be little doubt that "AAA" games are quickly incorporating mobile-type money aspects into their fifty-five quid games. Sure, Sterling does (quite literally, sometimes!) make a song and dance about it, but I am more wary of opinions along the lines of "it doesn't matter". It makes me wonder what publishers will try when some folk are apparently totally fine with these approaches.


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