'Microsoft is curtailing users’ freedom' according to Epic Games co-founder

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by Dual » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:33 pm

Photek wrote:They've kissed and made up on Twitter.


thank goodness

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by _/\_YUNGSTAR_/\_ » Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:12 pm

Photek wrote:Epic lad is looking forward to build next month.

nope, Epic lad is looking stupid.

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by _/\_YUNGSTAR_/\_ » Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:13 pm

Death's Head wrote:MS wanting a monopoly. So what's new?

what's that you say. Sony, Apple etc

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by Death's Head » Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:49 pm

_/\_YUNGSTAR_/\_ wrote:
Death's Head wrote:MS wanting a monopoly. So what's new?

what's that you say. Sony, Apple etc

Which of those have been threatened by governments over monopolies? What's that you say, just MS?

Yes?
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by Winckle » Sun Mar 06, 2016 4:19 pm

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Karl wrote:No, but I can install a torrent program without reading a reference manual :simper:

PCsupremacy :dread:

I don't understand your ironic use of that phrase here.

We should migrate GRcade to Flarum. :toot:
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by Meep » Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:06 pm

Dual wrote:
Photek wrote:They've kissed and made up on Twitter.


thank goodness

"I was angry at MS but then money."

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by gamerforever » Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:50 pm

Well maybe ms have conceded defeat to sony. Two console future of sony and Nintendo is my dream! Maybe sega will come back!

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by Rightey » Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:11 pm

gamerforever wrote:Two console future of sony and Nintendo is my dream!


That's ridiculous, even if you are a massive Sony fanboy, there is nothing positive that could come from one of the competitors dropping out of the market entirely. All that would happen is that the other two would be more willing to peddle crap to consumers because now there would be fewer choices.

Look what happened when the XBone was first announced and the whole, "you must always be online to play games thing, and it is absolutely an integral part of the console". Sony said with their console you could share games with friends, and within two weeks MS relented. Something like that would not have happened if it was just MS and Nintendo.

As for this thing, the MS store is going to fail just like Windows Live for PC did. Developing for all systems at once makes sense if you are making some crappy 2D App, like Angry Birds, but not if you are making something like the Witcher, you loose the flexibility that the hardware provides. Granted some developers have shown that they don't really care about making quality PC games, but I think even they won't like being told what to do by MS.

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by NickSCFC » Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:52 pm

The Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo status quo has served us well and long may it continue.

2 competitors is too few, Xbox One vs Wii U would've been an awful generation.

Too many and you end up with the mid 90s mess.

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by gamerforever » Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:24 pm

We don't need ms in the console industry imo. Let sega make a comeback.

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by Winckle » Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:27 pm

gamerforever wrote:We don't need ms in the console industry imo.Let sega make a comeback.

We should migrate GRcade to Flarum. :toot:
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by Ironhide » Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:39 pm

Winckle wrote:
gamerforever wrote:We don't need ms in the console industry imo.Let sega make a comeback.


PC master race aside, there's nothing wrong with consoles as they are relatively hassle free and there's no guesswork in deciding if your hardware will actually run a game or not. The games might not run in Ultra-4K-super-widescreen-vision™ but most people won't care.

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by Cuttooth » Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:16 pm

gamerforever wrote:We don't need ms in the console industry imo. Let sega make a comeback.

Let them? Is there some conspiracy keeping Sega from releasing a console we don't know about?

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by Rightey » Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:35 am

Winckle wrote:
gamerforever wrote:We don't need ms in the console industry imo.Let sega make a comeback.


If it weren't for Kinect and all those dancing games I would agree with you.

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by Saint of Killers » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:44 pm

Durante's thoughts on the matter: http://www.pcgamer.com/why-pc-games-sho ... rsal-apps/

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by That » Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:19 am

Ironhide wrote:
Winckle wrote:
gamerforever wrote:We don't need ms in the console industry imo.Let sega make a comeback.

PC master race aside, there's nothing wrong with consoles as they are relatively hassle free and there's no guesswork in deciding if your hardware will actually run a game or not. The games might not run in Ultra-4K-super-widescreen-vision™ but most people won't care.


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by Delusibeta » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:42 pm

Ultimately, this brouhaha is Microsoft attempting to do what Gabe Newell predicted they would try back when Windows 8 was new. That said, outside of stuff they own outright and money hats, I can't see any major third party joining in. At best, they might get some indie games to do Win10Store versions, and that's about it. I'll give it 18 months before this initiative fizzles out, hopefully followed by a Forza release on Steam.

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by Rax » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:54 am

Delusibeta wrote:Ultimately, this brouhaha is Microsoft attempting to do what Gabe Newell predicted they would try back when Windows 8 was new. That said, outside of stuff they own outright and money hats, I can't see any major third party joining in. At best, they might get some indie games to do Win10Store versions, and that's about it. I'll give it 18 months before this initiative fizzles out, hopefully followed by a Forza release on Steam.

I cant see that happening, its more likely that they will tweak their own store to better accommodate games and remove the requirements and restrictions that dont work for them. If they actually do their homework and realise they need to treat a game store different to an app store they might actually have some success with it.

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by Green Gecko » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:42 am

Ironhide wrote:
Winckle wrote:
gamerforever wrote:We don't need ms in the console industry imo.Let sega make a comeback.


PC master race aside, there's nothing wrong with consoles as they are relatively hassle free and there's no guesswork in deciding if your hardware will actually run a game or not. The games might not run in Ultra-4K-super-widescreen-vision™ but most people won't care.

I don't know, I have to routinely reboot my Wii U after it crashes starting a disk-based game with a mandatory update downloaded to an external hard drive. Every single time I try to download the high speed loading packages (about 10gb) the system tells me they are corrupt halfway through installation and I should download them again, which takes hours even on a fibre connection. It's a propriety file system so I have no way of performing a disk check and if it happens to the on board memory I am literally strawberry floated as Nintendo will not restore digital purchases. The ballache being I have to get up off the sofa every time to hard power down the console, boot it up and sit down again, which takes about a minute to get into the game - same as PC but I'm sitting right next to it and there are tools easily available to check download or file system integrity.

Same gooseberry fool happens on ps3 and xbox 360 sometimes.

Console gaming is not worry free anymore.

I want unfettered access to utility software (including OS or storefronts) on hardware I own so I am actually capable of fixing something if it breaks, which is not an option at all on consoles. Anything Microsoft does to wall in content or options to make this more difficult on PC in a similar way to Apple can strawberry float right off.

Sure there's always command line or Terminal or regedit but you shouldn't have to strawberry float with that gooseberry fool to perform simple maintenance on any system.

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by Harry Bizzle » Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:18 am

_/\_YUNGSTAR_/\_ wrote:
Photek wrote:Epic lad is looking forward to build next month.

nope, Epic lad is looking stupid.


He's not looking daft in the slightest, unless you fundamentally don't understand the issue.

He's forced Microsoft to come out and say that UWP is open and say that they will have more information at Build next month. This is despite the Windows 10 Store being 18 months old.

Instead of asking where this roadmap has been for 18 months you've got people who don't know what they're talking about reading a few twitter posts and thinking they he should have waited until Build 2016.

Apparently having attempted to make an app in UWP, distribute it, and then raising his concerns with people at Microsoft over the past year+ is not enough to qualify the man to write a piece like this. Perhaps Phil forgot to tell him that UWP is open when they were talking to each other.


This is very good:
http://venturebeat.com/2016/03/05/why-e ... s-10-open/ (Interview with Tim Sweeney after Microsoft's response)

And so is the Durante piece available upthread.

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