Moana regarded as best role model for girls; half the UK wants Disney lead gay character

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by OrangeRakoon » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:40 pm

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OrangeRakoon wrote:There are plenty of overweight characters in Disney films, so it feels odd to me to draw the line at the protagonist. But I think it's the actual phrasing, the idea that people say it would make them "uncomfortable" that I find troubling.


This is just a big issue with survey design. When you read the word uncomfortable you have a particular idea that the person who chose that selected the category because they don't like people who are in group x (old, fat, gay etc.) Whereas it could be that the person selected it for a number of different reasons.

For me thinking about Disney princesses, they often come from existing stories, like Snow White, or Cinderella, so some might feel uncomfortable with the original story being modified to make the princess a parent, or feminist. That being said I think they take a fair amount of creative liberty with stories anyways, but I could understand why some of those modifications might make people select that response. It's not necessarily that they don't like those groups of people.


It's true, YouGov polls do seem to be consistently badly worded

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by Vermilion » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:42 pm

Forget race and sexuality, there's one group who will almost certainly be demanding representation at some point.

Coming soon, Disney Vegan Princess!

The princess who will spend an entire film telling everyone she is a vegan.

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by Lotus » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:56 pm

Vermilion wrote:The princess who will spend an entire film telling everyone she is a vegan.

We could probably do with a princess from Yorkshire as well.

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by Ironhide » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:45 pm

Lotus wrote:
Vermilion wrote:The princess who will spend an entire film telling everyone she is a vegan.

We could probably do with a princess from Yorkshire as well.


Eeh that'd be chuffin' grand.

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by Grumpy David » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:04 pm

It's been a while since I saw Frozen but I had no idea Elsa was a Gay icon. :lol: I didn't even remotely consider it so any sequel would feel like tokenism if they actually made the character gay. I actually liked that it was a Disney love story of siblings, as opposed to romantic love.

Must watch Moana and Mulan. No idea why I never got round to seeing Mulan in the 90s.

Fat Disney princess would probably be a bad idea because it encourages the lie of Healthy At Every Size. :dread:

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by Vermilion » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:12 pm

Grumpy David wrote:It's been a while since I saw Frozen but I had no idea Elsa was a Gay icon. :lol: I didn't even remotely consider it so any sequel would feel like tokenism if they actually made the character gay.


This is what i've often thought about Dumbledore.

If you're gonna have a gay character, do it properly, don't just suddenly make a character (who's sexuality is irrelevant as far as the story is concerned) gay for no reason.

Grumpy David wrote:Fat Disney Princess


Sounds like a description for low budget porn. :lol:

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by Ironhide » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:43 pm

Why are people thinking Elsa might be gay?

I haven't seen Frozen btw.

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by Tomous » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:47 pm

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Photek wrote:When our litle one seen Cam and mitchell kiss in modern family


When they chuff was that? They're the most platonic couple ever (We saw Phil pumping away in S1/Claire, you'd never get that from those two. Then again they're both loathsome :P)


I believe the show got some criticism for that in the early seasons so they probably made an effort to address it.

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by Tomous » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:49 pm

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Ironhide wrote:I don't think the target audience of Disney films really needs to think about the sexuality of a character


I have to agree, focusing too much on sexuality does seem rather unnecessary when you consider that they're essentially films for kids.


It’s not focusing on sexuality if they do a same sex love story in the way they do boy and girl love stories. It would be a really positive step forward if they did.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:55 pm

They should just do it as though it means nothing at all. Just have a man fall in love and couple up with another man (or a woman with a woman) and have every character act as though there is nothing unusual about it.

Imagine children going to school under the impression that anyone can love anyone else, even if they're the same gender. I think our generation was not afford that luxury and we have had to (fairly successfully) overcome the societal norms impressed upon us by our parents' generation.

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by Karl » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:15 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Imagine children going to school under the impression that anyone can love anyone else, even if they're the same gender. I think our generation was not afford that luxury and we have had to (fairly successfully) overcome the societal norms impressed upon us by our parents' generation.

Absolutely. Obviously we're not all the way there yet, but I think a very powerful effect of our generation's progress towards normalising being gay or trans is that our children can experience that normality from birth. I kind of feel like we had to excise our phobias so that the next generation could hopefully grow up without them.

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by Green Gecko » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:41 pm

Who the strawberry float is Moana. Disney peaked with Mulan, I haven't really watched any since then.

Edit: regarding teh gay and stuff, I found it immensely annoying how often I was called gay for no strawberry floating reason whatsoever at school. It was so boring, uninventive, and blatantly offensive, I really don't understand why my school did seemingly nothing to tackle the problem and this was only up to 2005 which wasn't exactly a long time ago in terms of sexual equality.

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by Tomous » Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:02 am

Green Gecko wrote:Who the strawberry float is Moana. Disney peaked with Mulan, I haven't really watched any since then.



Well, how can you say they peaked with Mulan then, if you haven’t watched any since?

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by Green Gecko » Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:23 am

It's a convenient way of saying I'm ignorant and nostalgic as anything better since then just hasn't happened. :simper:

Honestly I just have haven't seen any Disney animated features, I've watched a lot of Studio Ghibli though.

I remember really rooting for Milan though, even as a kid, because then I recognised it wasn't right for a woman to be discarded for certain discplines. I guess because I was raised by my mother and I didn't respect my father for valid reasons. Gender equality was sort of drilled into me by unfortunate incidents of bad male behaviour. I've always respected women more. Which is ironic.

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by Moggy » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:37 am

Green Gecko wrote:It's a convenient way of saying I'm ignorant and nostalgic as anything better since then just hasn't happened. :simper:

Honestly I just have haven't seen any Disney animated features, I've watched a lot of Studio Ghibli though.

I remember really rooting for Milan though, even as a kid, because then I recognised it wasn't right for a woman to be discarded for certain discplines. I guess because I was raised by my mother and I didn't respect my father for valid reasons. Gender equality was sort of drilled into me by unfortunate incidents of bad male behaviour. I've always respected women more. Which is ironic.


Watch Moana.

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by Vermilion » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:32 am

Ironhide wrote:Why are people thinking Elsa might be gay?


Because she wasn't throwing herself at the blokes, though the fact that she was terrified of freezing everyone she touched probably had something to do with that.

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by Zellery » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:14 am

Moana is a great role model for little girls.

Moana is also the best Disney film they've made in about 20 years.

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by Photek » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:43 am

Tomous wrote:
Hexx wrote:
Photek wrote:When our litle one seen Cam and mitchell kiss in modern family


When they chuff was that? They're the most platonic couple ever (We saw Phil pumping away in S1/Claire, you'd never get that from those two. Then again they're both loathsome :P)


I believe the show got some criticism for that in the early seasons so they probably made an effort to address it.

Yeah in past couple of seasons they kiss a little.

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by Errkal » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:56 am

Im not sure I would approve of a pudgy princess, I mean we need to teach people not to take the piss out of larger folk and that, but there is a fine line between ensuring people are taking the piss / abusing larger folk and "making it ok" i that if you are porking up you should go "ahh well I'll be a fatty then" and not try and prevent it.

They should certainly not be the the super skinny impossible figures they have in the past like Jasmine for example, but they also shouldn't be lard arse princess pork chop as thats just going to say "Hey be a porker its cool" which is an unhealthy message to put out there.

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by Preezy » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:57 am

Dat Jasmine though :datass:

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