PS4 Neo - Unveiling September 7th... maybe

It's amazing that this story has stirred so much passion - both for and against the idea - and yet Sony has not announced a single word to confirm or deny the rumour. They must, having read THE INTERNET, be slightly nervous about presenting and positioning the new product in the right way! It's so easy for an idea or approach to be taken in an unintended way.

The Microsoft response will be extremely interesting.
Do they just wait and see and then respond perhaps with a true next gen machine in a few years or scramble for a solution now?

Trelliz wrote:
Saint of Killers wrote:I doubt this will change now, but to suggest complaining never brings about changes is hugely wrong.

Why does people complaining seem to rub people the wrong way? They're probably not expecting things to change and are just venting. Let them get on with it.

I didn't suggest that complaining never changes anything, and I'm all for complaining about things if they're gooseberry fool. Boycotts over games etc. tend to end up looking like this:

Sure, complaints got the shitty preorder stuff for Deus Ex shitcanned, however something like this has too much money behind it and I expect Sony is prepared to weather a certain amount of gooseberry fool in the face of mountains of money from those who give in and buy it anyway. I would be curious to know how many people stick to their convictions and not buy it compared to those who capitulate.

The precedent I was thinking about were all the XB1 about-faces. But yeah, this one would be much tougher to turnaround. (If for no other reason than I think most gamers are whores for newer tech. :lol:

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I always planned on selling my current PS4 once the latest iteration is announced and buying the new one. That remains the plan.

KK wrote:
Damian wrote:Bought PS2, PS3 and PS4 on launch day. This makes it likely that I won't repeat the trick with PS5. A lot might do the same. Think how well the PS4 has done in this generation, and that means developers knew they could support it with confidence. If PS5 sales are slower, developers might be reluctant to get involved and... look what happened with the Vita.

Maybe there isn't going to be a PS5 and this is the beginning of the PS4, and possibly the Xbox too, simply seeing small updates every few years. Like a PC or mobile device, games will adapt depending on which iteration of the machine you have.

If it did end up that there was no proper PS5, i wonder when devs would start working on and bringing out so called next gen/technically demanding games. Assuming all this is true and Sony have said no Neo exclusive games, would devs have to wait until the hardware revision after that? Would they have to make sure their games can still run on Neo and Neo 1.5 (hell maybe even baseline PS4 as well)

A thought has just sprung into my mind. If you are Sony and have the best selling console, how could you make more money? By increasing the price of course. But no one is going to pay more for the same thing? No problem, production costs have gone down since production started so just put more into it and increase the price!

Who wants to place a bet on how long it is before the original PS4 is no longer something you can buy....

Death's Head wrote:A thought has just sprung into my mind. If you are Sony and have the best selling console, how could you make more money? By increasing the price of course. But no one is going to pay more for the same thing? No problem, production costs have gone down since production started so just put more into it and increase the price!

Who wants to place a bet on how long it is before the original PS4 is no longer something you can buy....

That does make some sense. It's hard to figure out why Sony are doing this at all.

Traditionally the platform holder reduces manufacturing costs on existing hardware anyway, and what was once a loss-leader becomes slightly profitable. Software licensing is where the real money lies.

So your postulation is more of an explanation as to why it "seemed like a good idea at the time". I still can't see the sense in it.

I have a feeling that the "Base" PS4 will continue to be sold as a budget unit and Neo is a cheap way of extending the life-cycle of a successful brand. Well, they can SHOVE IT UP THEIR ARSE.

*shakes fist impotently, cancels pre-order etc.*

Death's Head wrote:A thought has just sprung into my mind. If you are Sony and have the best selling console, how could you make more money? By increasing the price of course. But no one is going to pay more for the same thing? No problem, production costs have gone down since production started so just put more into it and increase the price!

Who wants to place a bet on how long it is before the original PS4 is no longer something you can buy....

If production costs have gone down, then surely profit margins will go up themselves just selling PS4 as is...You post a lot of stuff based on conjecture and prediction rather than common sense.

Photek wrote:If production costs have gone down, then surely profit margins will go up themselves just selling PS4 as is...You post a lot of stuff based on conjecture and prediction rather than common sense.

When people aren't going to come out and say the reasons, of course I'm going to post based on theories. Yes, profit margins will go up simply due to falling production costs, but think of it this way, if they spend an extra £30 putting together PS4 NEOs but can sell them for £100 more, more profit. No company sits back and thinks "yeah, 20% margin is enough". This is common sense.

Sony are apparently mandating 1080p on all games for Neo - which means some of the extra computing power is going to go into doing that alone. And to get it up to 4K, if indeed they even can, you're not going to see any graphical or performance increases whatsoever, surely?

As an example Star Wars Battlefront currently runs at 900p. To get that up to 1080p will require the extra power.

KK wrote:Sony are apparently mandating 1080p on all games for Neo - which means some of the extra computing power is going to go into doing that alone. And to get it up to 4K, if indeed they even can, you're not going to see any graphical or performance increases whatsoever, surely?

There's no way the PS4 could do 4k gaming, I think it means 4k media like netflix and blu rays rather than games.

Trelliz wrote:
KK wrote:Sony are apparently mandating 1080p on all games for Neo - which means some of the extra computing power is going to go into doing that alone. And to get it up to 4K, if indeed they even can, you're not going to see any graphical or performance increases whatsoever, surely?

There's no way the PS4 could do 4k gaming, I think it means 4k media like netflix and blu rays rather than games.

Assuming you are talking about this upgraded PS4 Neo, that doesn't seem to be true.

I mean obviously the game would have to be graphically limited, but there's no reason some games couldn't natively output at 4k if its allowed by the hardware.

If Sony do this and MS don't then I'll be trading my PS4 for an XBO

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But that makes no sense.

Buffalo wrote:But that makes no sense.

It's an odd statement. I mean you're angry that your games will be worse but then you are getting an even weaker system so you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.

What's an SM-J500FN anyway, dude? Your phone is like a Commodore 64 or what, why replace your console with a shitter one?

KK wrote:
Damian wrote:Bought PS2, PS3 and PS4 on launch day. This makes it likely that I won't repeat the trick with PS5. A lot might do the same. Think how well the PS4 has done in this generation, and that means developers knew they could support it with confidence. If PS5 sales are slower, developers might be reluctant to get involved and... look what happened with the Vita.

Maybe there isn't going to be a PS5 and this is the beginning of the PS4, and possibly the Xbox too, simply seeing small updates every few years. Like a PC or mobile device, games will adapt depending on which iteration of the machine you have.

I think it's very possible you're right.

I still don't know know how to feel about this.

Sort of glad I got a PC recently. Might just stick with that, upgrading it and having Nintendo consoles alongside it.

HSH28 wrote:
Trelliz wrote:
KK wrote:Sony are apparently mandating 1080p on all games for Neo - which means some of the extra computing power is going to go into doing that alone. And to get it up to 4K, if indeed they even can, you're not going to see any graphical or performance increases whatsoever, surely?

There's no way the PS4 could do 4k gaming, I think it means 4k media like netflix and blu rays rather than games.

Assuming you are talking about this upgraded PS4 Neo, that doesn't seem to be true.

I mean obviously the game would have to be graphically limited, but there's no reason some games couldn't natively output at 4k if its allowed by the hardware.

I predicted Peggle 4K two years ago. :datass:

AMD "design wins" suggest three upcoming console reveals - But not all of them will ship this year.

AMD has revealed the existence of new "design wins" for its Semi-Custom processor design business, suggesting that three new console designs will roll out to the market throughout this year and beyond. Gamesindustry.biz reports that this is expected to generate $1.5bn of revenue for the company over three to four years, but the question is, how will those processor designs translate into acutal console products?

AMD CEO Lisa Su was coy on details in an investor call, but did reveal that "not all" of these products would ship this year, and she would not be drawn on the specifics of the new design wins: "I don't believe that we've gone through any detail about what those wins are, so I would prefer to let that come out as our customers are ready to launch."

More: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... le-reveals

If the Witcher 3 gets a patch to run at 60fps on Neo I'm all over this :shifty:

PS4 Neo - Unveiling September 7th... maybe

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