Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice - It's out! All impressions positive!

[Dowbocop]

It's more of an old/sixties Batman logo as well, so I have no idea what kind of Batman/suit will show up.

Another reason it couldn't realistically be set in the Nolan Batman universe:

Superman would've been bumming his way across the world holding up oil rigs and all that jazz, but didn't get involved when Bane kept an entire city hostage with a sinister plot that he could literally see right through.

[Zerudaaaaa!]

Why would that matter to Batman? He does his own investigations.

Well, you'd imagine the government would respond to the people - at least partly - so if they're all rainbows and kisses with Supes, it must mean the chaos and destruction has been accepted and people aren't telling him to sod off. So, why would Batman, who isn't from Metropolis, come to fight on behalf of those people and have a go at the alien? There's only one reason: he's a nosey bastard. There's no kryptonite because they reworked that bit of history, so all those easy-outs where Batman waves a glowstick are null and void. They're in a corner if they want him to square-go the Superman. He'll get telt in slow-mo - maybe they'll go all Dredd and make the shot of his brain being pulped in the blink of an eye last half an hour. Oh God, I'm giving him ideas.

Why? I don't remember anything in MoS that suggests kryptonite could not make an appearance in the sequel.

[Ginga]

Why? I don't remember anything in MoS that suggests kryptonite could not make an appearance in the sequel.

In the Man of Steel mythology, his powers come from Earth's yellow sun. They're essentially dormant on Krypton, but it's Kal-El's exposure here that makes him a superhero. Krytopnite is not part of this world, they've eliminated the background and means to which it could be used. Instead they went with a "believable" concept of struggling to cope with a change in atmosphere rather than a toxic rock. Snyder, Goyer and Nolan have all said it won't feature.

[Zerudaaaaa!]

Why? I don't remember anything in MoS that suggests kryptonite could not make an appearance in the sequel.

In the Man of Steel mythology, his powers come from Earth's yellow sun. They're essentially dormant on Krypton, but it's Kal-El's exposure here that makes him a superhero. Krytopnite is not part of this world, they've eliminated the background and means to which it could be used. Instead they went with a "believable" concept of struggling to cope with a change in atmosphere rather than a toxic rock. Snyder, Goyer and Nolan have all said it won't feature.

Thanks for explaining. I suppose it's a cheap way of making Superman vunerable anyway. On the other hand, it's such a part of the Superman mythos, I kind of want to see it being used.

[Pedz]

Why? I don't remember anything in MoS that suggests kryptonite could not make an appearance in the sequel.

In the Man of Steel mythology, his powers come from Earth's yellow sun. They're essentially dormant on Krypton, but it's Kal-El's exposure here that makes him a superhero. Krytopnite is not part of this world, they've eliminated the background and means to which it could be used. Instead they went with a "believable" concept of struggling to cope with a change in atmosphere rather than a toxic rock. Snyder, Goyer and Nolan have all said it won't feature.

Isn't the yellow sun thing normal for Superman? Yellow sun makes him super and a red sun makes him not super. Or am I missing the point? Not seen MoS.

Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4 Beta

[Jax]

What about a blue sun? Or is that not a big deal for Superman.

[Pedz]

And Krypton had a red Sun, hence no powers. My point is isn't the yellow sun thing normal and has been for like a very long time. What's so different with MoS and the sun and no kryptonite because of it?

As I said not seen it. So ya know, as I said I could be missing Gingas point entirely

Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4 Beta

[Ginga]

And Krypton had a red Sun, hence no powers. My point is isn't the yellow sun thing normal and has been for like a very long time. What's so different with MoS and the sun and no kryptonite because of it?

As I said not seen it. So ya know, as I said I could be missing Gingas point entirely

They didn't want to use kryptonite, so they reworked the science a little bit. It's not a solid aggregate, a rock, that his enemies can whip about - it's the Kryptonian atmosphere. So something that none of them have any access to. There's a bit in MoS where Supes gets a bit shaky while he's flying up through a particle beam that's terraforming Earth, but he still smashed through it.

Snyder and a few others didn't believe using a big green rock to be a worthy plot point - it'd been done to death. However, considering they made that film with no idea they were going to make this one, they've inadvertently made it a lot harder to follow the conventional (and possibly only) narrative for Superman in The World's Finest.

[Pedz]

So Superman has no weakness?

Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4 Beta

[Pacman]

red sun is a weakness. his cells absorb yellow sun energy

What if he filters the red sun through a yellow bit of plastic? Or split the light with a giant prism in his roof and basks in the yellow light in his house?

[Memento Mori]

What about a blue sun? Or is that not a big deal for Superman.

I can't remember Superman ever being near a blue star in the comics but theoretically that would supercharge him.

[1cmanny1]

I think this might struggle (In terms of quality). I don't know if it has been long enough for a new batman to go over.

[kommissarboris]

hmmm, no dunno about this.

All I can think is, one is a mutant/alien, and the other a vigilante. Both are susceptible to arrest or instant judgement.

Dredd says so.

[Kanbei]

If The Avengers can work then this can work.

[BID0]

Marvel have been great at starting up potentially risky films, WB just haven't got that and have let most of their DC projects fall down by the wayside. They could have had several properties as successful films by now.

Plus Marvel have far more interesting stories than what's available from the DC comics.

[Ginga]

If The Avengers can work then this can work.

Totally different. Tone is consistent with Marvel, not DC.

[Skippy]

If The Avengers can work then this can work.

Totally different. Tone is consistent with Marvel, not DC.

Exactly. Avengers worked because it was silly and knew it. These Justice League films are going too po-faced for the inherent silliness of it all to work.

[Rubix]

[Venom]

Zac Snyder wants to get some bloke called Frank Miller to help him with Superman vs Batman story.

EDITED:

"Batman v Superman director Zach Snyder will have talks in the next few days with the man who first pitched the two superheroes against each other in an iconic comic book tale 30 years ago. Writer and artist Frank Miller cast an ageing Bruce Wayne against Clark Kent in Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, a series later compiled into a graphic novel, just under 30 years ago.

Screenwriter David S Goyer, who co-wrote The Dark Knight trilogy with Christopher Nolan and Jonathan Nolan, recently revealed the Superman and Batman film may use a ‘versus’ in the title. Although the film, due out in 2015, will not be adapted from Miller’s work, the use of his words in the announcement led fans to believe Snyder wants the 56-year-old on side.

A source close to Miller, who also has Sin City and 300 sequels in the pipeline, told the Independent: “Frank had no idea the announcement in San Diego was going to happen so it did come as a surprise. He’s going to be meeting up with Zach in the next few days to go over the plans for the Superman film so things should be clearer after that.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/batman-v-superman-zach-snyder-takes-advice-from-frank-miller-in-bid-for-blockbuster-battle-of-the-superheroes-8739894.html?origin=internalSearch

[Memento Mori]

Post 9/11 Frank Miller





Actually this is probably the best thing that could happen to the film.