Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

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by Tafdolphin » Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:12 pm

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Mafro wrote:Whats with Annihilation getting a theatre release in the US but it's only on Netflix here in the UK and it's going up on Monday? Seems like a weird deal.


The film was released by Paramount Pictures in the United States on February 23, 2018.

Due to a poorly received test screening, David Ellison, a financier at Paramount, became concerned that the film was "too intellectual" and "too complicated", and demanded changes to make it appeal to a wider audience, including making Portman's character more sympathetic and changing the ending. Producer Scott Rudin sided with Garland in his desire to not alter the film, defending the film and refusing to take notes. Rudin had final cut.

On December 7, 2017, it was announced that due to the clashes between Rudin and Ellison, and the shift in Paramount's leadership, a deal was struck with Netflix handling international distribution. According to this deal, Paramount will handle the US and China release, while Netflix will begin streaming the film in other territories 17 days later


Wow, a film maker with the balls to go up against a studio and keep a story as he intended it to be.
I was going to go to the cinema to see this and I'll certainly watch it on Netflix :D .

It's going to be interesting to see if this film is as complicated as the test screeners thought as it will be a refreshing change to see a challenging sci-fi film.


I just finished reading the books which are utterly bizarre but very very good. From what I've seen of the reviews, the film is faithful to that aspect of the books and is very good with it.

strawberry float test screenings. I don't know what sort of morons they hire for these things but from past experiences they're nearly always wrong. Fingers crossed the same is true for Deadpool.


I also find it odd when normally bright people say a film like Inception is overly complicated and hard to follow as it really isn't that complicated at all.
All it requires is to view the different layers of dream as separate but connected with a time differential. It's harder to explain but surely a pretty simple concept to grasp if you just give it more than 5 seconds of thought. I just think of a building where every level above is a layer of dream and time runs quicker. Time can run super quick at the top and thus thousands of years can pass for them when just seconds pass for us on the ground floor.
Likewise time travel films which people have problems with are also not hard to understand if you just put in a few seconds of thought and not just expect everything to be instantly obvious at all times.

It seems even a small amount of thinking about a film is beyond some at test screenings.


The problem from what I understand is that people are not told beforehand what the film will be and are intentionally chosen from a wide range of demographics. No doubt a lot of the Annihilation viewing reviews were glowing but there will have been a large number of people in those showings to whom Transformers is an intellectually stimulating franchise.

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PostRe: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2
by Peter Crisp » Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:26 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:The problem from what I understand is that people are not told beforehand what the film will be and are intentionally chosen from a wide range of demographics. No doubt a lot of the Annihilation viewing reviews were glowing but there will have been a large number of people in those showings to whom Transformers is an intellectually stimulating franchise.

You can't force a square peg into a circular hole.


You could well be right.
I think a fairer system would be to at least ask for people who are familiar with the genre.
I for example would likely be a poor choice to test screen a Fast and Furious film as I'd just say it was gooseberry fool due to the frankly ridiculous driving and lack of any real legal penalty for it. The next Fast and Furious should just be the entire cast all in court for about 800 counts each of reckless driving and add another 500 years of prison time each for changing gear so much :x .

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by Corazon de Leon » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:13 pm

Fast and Furious is basically a fantasy series for chavs - it’s fine for what it is and actually is a great switch-off franchise I think.

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by Dual » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:16 pm

Fast and Curious is so crazy now I find the Marvel films more believable.

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by bear » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:22 pm

Dual wrote:Fast and Curious is so crazy now I find the Marvel films more believable.

That's one hell of a fetish.

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by Dual » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:59 pm

:lol: that's the gay porno parody

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by floydfreak » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:37 am

Corazon de Leon wrote:Fast and Furious is basically a fantasy series for chavs - it’s fine for what it is and actually is a great switch-off franchise I think.


I agree though FF 8 for me was the most OTT nonsense far fetched out of them all yes the others have plenty of OTT silly non believable stunts effects etc but FF8 i was watching it like WTF i am watching its so stupid.

But as you said its a switch off franchise and is why its so popular

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by Vermilion » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:45 am

FF8 needed more Jason Statham.

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by Corazon de Leon » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:18 am

The only films that don't need more Jason Statham are Crank and Crank 2, and even they would probably have benefitted.

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by Mafro » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:32 am

I was pretty disappointed by the last two F&F films but I can't wait for the Rock and Statham spin-off one.

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by Tafdolphin » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:08 pm

Annihilation out today on Netflix. Cannae wait.

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PostRe: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2
by Hime » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:31 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Mafro wrote:Whats with Annihilation getting a theatre release in the US but it's only on Netflix here in the UK and it's going up on Monday? Seems like a weird deal.


The film was released by Paramount Pictures in the United States on February 23, 2018.

Due to a poorly received test screening, David Ellison, a financier at Paramount, became concerned that the film was "too intellectual" and "too complicated", and demanded changes to make it appeal to a wider audience, including making Portman's character more sympathetic and changing the ending. Producer Scott Rudin sided with Garland in his desire to not alter the film, defending the film and refusing to take notes. Rudin had final cut.

On December 7, 2017, it was announced that due to the clashes between Rudin and Ellison, and the shift in Paramount's leadership, a deal was struck with Netflix handling international distribution. According to this deal, Paramount will handle the US and China release, while Netflix will begin streaming the film in other territories 17 days later


Wow, a film maker with the balls to go up against a studio and keep a story as he intended it to be.
I was going to go to the cinema to see this and I'll certainly watch it on Netflix :D .

It's going to be interesting to see if this film is as complicated as the test screeners thought as it will be a refreshing change to see a challenging sci-fi film.


I just finished reading the books which are utterly bizarre but very very good. From what I've seen of the reviews, the film is faithful to that aspect of the books and is very good with it.

strawberry float test screenings. I don't know what sort of morons they hire for these things but from past experiences they're nearly always wrong. Fingers crossed the same is true for Deadpool.

Did the story actually go anywhere in third book? I read them ages ago and remember falling off hard on part three.

Apparently the film is based primarily on the first book which I remember really liking so I'm happy with that. Also, I heard on a podcast that the person at Paramount who didn't like Annihilation was the maker of Geostorm.

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by Vermilion » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:37 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:The only films that don't need more Jason Statham are Crank and Crank 2, and even they would probably have benefitted.


Crank 3 needs to be made, the world can never have enough Chev Chelios.

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PostRe: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2
by more heat than light » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:48 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:Annihilation out today on Netflix. Cannae wait.


It's available right now. :-)

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PostRe: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2
by Preezy » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:17 pm

Still fuming about the strawberry floating Mary Poppins sequel. I don't want it to exist.

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PostRe: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2
by floydfreak » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:04 pm

is a unnecessary sequel

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PostRe: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2
by Tafdolphin » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:45 pm

Hime wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Mafro wrote:Whats with Annihilation getting a theatre release in the US but it's only on Netflix here in the UK and it's going up on Monday? Seems like a weird deal.


The film was released by Paramount Pictures in the United States on February 23, 2018.

Due to a poorly received test screening, David Ellison, a financier at Paramount, became concerned that the film was "too intellectual" and "too complicated", and demanded changes to make it appeal to a wider audience, including making Portman's character more sympathetic and changing the ending. Producer Scott Rudin sided with Garland in his desire to not alter the film, defending the film and refusing to take notes. Rudin had final cut.

On December 7, 2017, it was announced that due to the clashes between Rudin and Ellison, and the shift in Paramount's leadership, a deal was struck with Netflix handling international distribution. According to this deal, Paramount will handle the US and China release, while Netflix will begin streaming the film in other territories 17 days later


Wow, a film maker with the balls to go up against a studio and keep a story as he intended it to be.
I was going to go to the cinema to see this and I'll certainly watch it on Netflix :D .

It's going to be interesting to see if this film is as complicated as the test screeners thought as it will be a refreshing change to see a challenging sci-fi film.


I just finished reading the books which are utterly bizarre but very very good. From what I've seen of the reviews, the film is faithful to that aspect of the books and is very good with it.

strawberry float test screenings. I don't know what sort of morons they hire for these things but from past experiences they're nearly always wrong. Fingers crossed the same is true for Deadpool.

Did the story actually go anywhere in third book? I read them ages ago and remember falling off hard on part three.


Book three did feel more like a contractually obligated wrap-up than a book borne of intellectual desire but if you want to be spoiled here's the precis:

It's strongly implied The Crawler is a biomechanical construct from an alien civilisation, made to reconstruct that civilisation should it be destroyed. It was destroyed, but whatever machine The Crawler was originally a part of was spread across space and the part that landed on Earth was trying, ineffectually, the terraform the Earth into its home planet. The writing, and the Border itself, was coming from the human it infected upon arriving, the Lighthouse keeper Saul Evans, who was still a part of The Crawler and was fighting from inside to control it.

The original biologist turned into a gargantuan Chthulu-esque abomination after staving off The Brightness for so long by subjecting herself to constant pain (before giving up after the owl her husband was turned into dies) and at the end of the book it's implied Area X has overrun the planet.

Oh, and Control gets turned into a marmot. C'est la vie.


Apparently the film is based primarily on the first book which I remember really liking so I'm happy with that. Also, I heard on a podcast that the person at Paramount who didn't like Annihilation was the maker of Geostorm.


I've just finished it and will write my thoughts over in the Last Film thread, but it's almost an In Name Only adaptation. It's very good, but it's not a direct translation.

Also, the guy who had issues with it was indeed the GeoStorm guy. Turns out he's the 34 year old billionaire son of the Oracle CEO and he also greenlit and produced Terminator Genisys. Who says money can't buy taste?

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PostRe: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2
by Hime » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:15 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:
Hime wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Mafro wrote:Whats with Annihilation getting a theatre release in the US but it's only on Netflix here in the UK and it's going up on Monday? Seems like a weird deal.


The film was released by Paramount Pictures in the United States on February 23, 2018.

Due to a poorly received test screening, David Ellison, a financier at Paramount, became concerned that the film was "too intellectual" and "too complicated", and demanded changes to make it appeal to a wider audience, including making Portman's character more sympathetic and changing the ending. Producer Scott Rudin sided with Garland in his desire to not alter the film, defending the film and refusing to take notes. Rudin had final cut.

On December 7, 2017, it was announced that due to the clashes between Rudin and Ellison, and the shift in Paramount's leadership, a deal was struck with Netflix handling international distribution. According to this deal, Paramount will handle the US and China release, while Netflix will begin streaming the film in other territories 17 days later


Wow, a film maker with the balls to go up against a studio and keep a story as he intended it to be.
I was going to go to the cinema to see this and I'll certainly watch it on Netflix :D .

It's going to be interesting to see if this film is as complicated as the test screeners thought as it will be a refreshing change to see a challenging sci-fi film.


I just finished reading the books which are utterly bizarre but very very good. From what I've seen of the reviews, the film is faithful to that aspect of the books and is very good with it.

strawberry float test screenings. I don't know what sort of morons they hire for these things but from past experiences they're nearly always wrong. Fingers crossed the same is true for Deadpool.

Did the story actually go anywhere in third book? I read them ages ago and remember falling off hard on part three.


Book three did feel more like a contractually obligated wrap-up than a book borne of intellectual desire but if you want to be spoiled here's the precis:

It's strongly implied The Crawler is a biomechanical construct from an alien civilisation, made to reconstruct that civilisation should it be destroyed. It was destroyed, but whatever machine The Crawler was originally a part of was spread across space and the part that landed on Earth was trying, ineffectually, the terraform the Earth into its home planet. The writing, and the Border itself, was coming from the human it infected upon arriving, the Lighthouse keeper Saul Evans, who was still a part of The Crawler and was fighting from inside to control it.

The original biologist turned into a gargantuan Chthulu-esque abomination after staving off The Brightness for so long by subjecting herself to constant pain (before giving up after the owl her husband was turned into dies) and at the end of the book it's implied Area X has overrun the planet.

Oh, and Control gets turned into a marmot. C'est la vie.


Apparently the film is based primarily on the first book which I remember really liking so I'm happy with that. Also, I heard on a podcast that the person at Paramount who didn't like Annihilation was the maker of Geostorm.


I've just finished it and will write my thoughts over in the Last Film thread, but it's almost an In Name Only adaptation. It's very good, but it's not a direct translation.

Also, the guy who had issues with it was indeed the GeoStorm guy. Turns out he's the 34 year old billionaire son of the Oracle CEO and he also greenlit and produced Terminator Genisys. Who says money can't buy taste?

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat- ... al-1065465

Thanks man, bits of the story came back to me when you mentioned the biologist and lighthouse but I'm drawing a blank on the finer details. I just remember the third book going a bit Final Fantasy X.

Glad the film is good but I had assumed it wouldn't be a direct translation.

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PostRe: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2
by Moggy » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:30 am

Preezy wrote:Still fuming about the strawberry floating Mary Poppins sequel. I don't want it to exist.


The sequel was published in 1935 and Travers died in 1996, I think it is time to get over it.

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by Preezy » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:45 am

Never.


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