(Oh / my) sweet summer child

The Creole
1850, Mary Scrimzeour Furman Whitaker

Blue was the summer ah—, and mild
The fragrant breeze,— sweet Summer’s child.
All rob’d in white, dead Stanley seem’d,
And radiance, from his features, beam’d;—
Meta, companion of his way,—
Yet pale as when, on earth, he lay.

The West Wind
1849, James Staunton Babcock

Thy home is all around,
Sweet summer child of light and air,
Like God’s own presence, felt, ne’er found,
A Spirit everywhere!

Little Mary Tyng
1879, Frances B.M. Brotherson

God took her forever,
Our sweet summer child—
She passed through the valley
With Thee, Undefiled!
So trusting, so fondly
To Thee did she cling,
Thou wert the sure refuge—
Of little May Ting

I heard of it before GOT. Not from those above though.

It's not a phrase i'm familiar with, and I don't think i've ever heard anyone say it.

Are they actually the same phrase, though, Monkey Man? The first two are speaking metaphorically about the summer breeze, and the last one is an obituary poem for an infant who literally lived for one summer.

In the same way that "core memory" showed up prior to 2015 but wasn't about psychology, I don't think those are about being naive.

But to be fair and balanced, in recognition of both sides of this important debate...

Tomous wrote:If there is no written record before 1996 then that decides for me, it's a Game of Thrones thing.

Is it not possible that it's a folksy saying that simply wasn't written down because it was too salt-of-the-earth?

These days you can be arrested and thrown in jail for saying Game if Thrones is gooseberry fool.

site23 wrote:But to be fair and balanced, in recognition of both sides of this important debate...

Tomous wrote:If there is no written record before 1996 then that decides for me, it's a Game of Thrones thing.

Is it not possible that it's a folksy saying that simply wasn't written down because it was too salt-of-the-earth?

I think it would have popped up in a novel at some point for sure.

On a similar note. Where did the phrase "rainy tuesday night in stoke" come from?

A cursory google comes up with these;

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/what-does-can-they-do-it-on-a-cold-rainy-night-in-stoke-mean-messi-phrase-explained/1f7alegnrwfr01i5vj34vak59k

The expression was made famous by commentator Andy Gray, who was discussing a Manchester City vs Everton game in 2010-11 with Richard Keys.

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wet-tuesday-night-stoke-city-4761644

And while there are only two mentions on Twitter of a specifically “wet and windy night in Stoke” before Gray’s monologue – there are thousands afterwards from all corners of the planet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Stoke_City_F.C._seasons
Note that Stoke first went into the premier league on the 2008-2009 season.

I think it originally came from this forum.

mcjihge2 wrote:On a similar note. Where did the phrase "rainy tuesday night in stoke" come from?

A cursory google comes up with these;

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/what-does-can-they-do-it-on-a-cold-rainy-night-in-stoke-mean-messi-phrase-explained/1f7alegnrwfr01i5vj34vak59k

The expression was made famous by commentator Andy Gray, who was discussing a Manchester City vs Everton game in 2010-11 with Richard Keys.

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wet-tuesday-night-stoke-city-4761644

And while there are only two mentions on Twitter of a specifically “wet and windy night in Stoke” before Gray’s monologue – there are thousands afterwards from all corners of the planet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Stoke_City_F.C._seasons
Note that Stoke first went into the premier league on the 2008-2009 season.

I think it originally came from this forum.

First mention of it (although day instead of night) on here was 2011:

Subject: The football thread

teh bork wrote:Finally

The thing is who will tell us now that foreign teams are gooseberry fool and wouldn't be able to cut it on a wet and windy day in Stoke?

Now they have the chance Sky should sign Jonathan Wilson, just imagine him doing proper tactical analysis on the Last Word and MNF

Jenuall wrote:These days you can be arrested and thrown in jail for saying Game if Thrones is gooseberry fool.

What, just for saying Game of Thrones is gooseberry fool?

I wonder if people in the late 1600s complained that people kept saying such silly phrases as "catch a cold" because they heard it in a stupid play.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22st ... bowling%22

Choclet-Milk wrote:

Jenuall wrote:These days you can be arrested and thrown in jail for saying Game if Thrones is gooseberry fool.

What, just for saying Game of Thrones is gooseberry fool?

No. If Thrones is gooseberry fool, then you'll be thrown in jail if you say "Game".

SEP wrote:I wonder if people in the late 1600s complained that people kept saying such silly phrases as "catch a cold" because they heard it in a stupid play.

I wonder if anybody on page 1 made a similar point.

rinks wrote:

Victor Mildew wrote:I've heard my sweet summer child in TMWRNJ, and that aired in the 90s.

I thought of that too, with the condescending way it’s apparently used. It was a similar phrase, but I don’t think it was exactly that.

‘Sweet, innocent child”, maybe?

It was the actor Kevin Eldon doing a weekly religious thing. It was called something daft like "prayer for a thought for the day". He used to say it in that.

Victor Mildew wrote:

rinks wrote:

Victor Mildew wrote:I've heard my sweet summer child in TMWRNJ, and that aired in the 90s.

I thought of that too, with the condescending way it’s apparently used. It was a similar phrase, but I don’t think it was exactly that.

‘Sweet, innocent child”, maybe?

It was the actor Kevin Eldon doing a weekly religious thing. It was called something daft like "prayer for a thought for the day". He used to say it in that.

I couldn't find that, but this made me laugh.



Ahh!

Here's a compilation of the unusual protest, I don't think he ever says "sweet summer child", but I didn't watch all of them.

Moggy wrote:

Choclet-Milk wrote:

Jenuall wrote:These days you can be arrested and thrown in jail for saying Game if Thrones is gooseberry fool.

What, just for saying Game of Thrones is gooseberry fool?

No. If Thrones is gooseberry fool, then you'll be thrown in jail if you say "Game".

Moggy wrote:Here's a compilation of the unusual protest, I don't think he ever says "sweet summer child", but I didn't watch all of them.

It's definitely unusual, I'd hardly call it a protest at all really.

Jenuall wrote:

Moggy wrote:Here's a compilation of the unusual protest, I don't think he ever says "sweet summer child", but I didn't watch all of them.

It's definitely unusual, I'd hardly call it a protest at all really.

Moggy wrote:
Ahh!

No not ahhh