National Farmers Union say they would have no problem implementing chlorine-washed chicken in the UK

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by KK » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:59 pm

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And various other nasties that could be finding their way into the food we eat after a US trade deal...

Guardian wrote:Those of us who want to eat safe, healthy food awoke to a nightmare on Tuesday, a chilling interview on Radio 4’s Today programme. Bob Young, chief economist at the American Farm Bureau Federation, made it crystal clear that any US trade deal struck by Theresa May would be contingent on the UK public stomaching imports of US foods that it has previously rejected: beef from cattle implanted with growth hormones, chlorine-washed chicken, and unlabelled genetically modified (GM) foods.

Wiping the sleep from our eyes, we hoped it was just a bad dream, but the grim reality worsened. Martin Haworth, director of strategy at the National Farmers Union (NFU), was up next. Surely our own farmers, who have worked for decades to stricter EU standards shaped by consumers’ demand for safe, natural food, would reiterate their commitment to keeping them? Not a bit of it. Haworth’s only concern was that if such controversial American products were allowed into the country, British farmers should be able to use the same production techniques to ensure “an even playing field”. Do you find it credible that British farmers could beat the US’s vast industrial feedlots, hi-tech poultry plants and vast GM prairies at their own game? No matter, the NFU does.

Later, at prime minister’s questions, the Scottish National party MP Angus Robertson pressed May for the reassurance that everyone who cares about food quality and safety badly wants to hear. Would she tell Trump she wasn’t prepared to lower our food safety standards? Judging from May’s evasive reply – she would improve trade through prosperity, growth, jobs, putting UK interests and values first – it seems entirely possible that she would bin existing food rules in order to clinch a deal.

For decades, the food on our plates has been protected – albeit inadequately – by virtue of our EU membership. Food on British shelves differs in critical ways from the US equivalent. Citizens in Europe loudly opposed the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) that sought to impose on us the US “Big Food” model. But now it looks as if Trump and May could usher in a bilateral version of TTIP with bells on.

So the nightmare is real, although there is a ray of hope. Post-Brexit, we can’t continue to sell British food to mainland Europe unless it meets EU standards. And losing concrete business with the EU in the vain hope of gaining some notional trade advantage with the US sounds like a deal-breaker.

PESTICIDES

Eighty-two pesticides are banned in the EU on health and environmental grounds – but not in the US. Among these 82 pesticides are permethrin, the broad spectrum insecticide that is classed as a likely carcinogen and suspected endocrine disruptor, and atrazine, a herbicide thought to affect the immune system, which has also been linked to birth defects.

A US-UK trade deal opens the door to imports of American foods grown using these pesticides. The US would probably also lean on the UK government to relax our EU-set “maximum residue levels” for pesticides in food. Even people who boycotted US imported food would probably end up eating more residues in food because British growers would no longer have to control their spraying regimes to keep residues within EU limits.

GM FOOD

Derivatives of GM maize and soya are in thousands of processed foods in the US. American consumers’ demands to see them labelled have been quashed by lobbying from big biotech companies, notably Monsanto. In the US, the only way to avoid eating GM ingredients is to buy organic food to cook at home and never eat out.

In the EU, foods made using GM ingredients must be clearly labelled as such, and consumers have shown repeatedly that they don’t want to buy them. The only GM foods currently on British shelves are sweet imported American junk foods, and cheap cooking oils aimed at the catering trade.

No GM crops are grown commercially in the UK. Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland have all effectively banned their cultivation. Currently, EU states have the right to ban the import of GM food. In the event of a US-UK trade deal, farmers on both sides of the Atlantic might argue that GM labelling, and cultivation and import bans, are discriminatory barriers to trade.

FOOD ADDITIVES

Processed foods in the United States typically contain many more additives and hi-tech ingredients than their equivalents in Europe. Several food additives banned in Europe are permitted in the US. These include petroleum-derived food colourings, azodicarbonamide, the chemical used to bleach flour that has been linked to asthma, and potassium bromate, a chemical that reduces the time needed to bake industrial bread. It has been associated with kidney, nervous system and gastrointestinal disorders.

British companies could argue that if they are to compete with US imports on price, they must be allowed to use these problematic additives.

CHLORINE CHICKEN AND ACID-WASHED MEAT

In the US it’s perfectly legal to “wash” butchered chicken in strongly chlorinated water and to spray pig carcasses with lactic acid. Abattoir companies present these as belt-and-braces methods of reducing the spread of microbial contamination from the animal’s digestive tract to the meat.

These practices aren’t allowed in the EU, and the dominant European view has been that, far from reducing contamination, they could increase it because dirty abattoirs with sloppy standards would rely on it as a decontaminant rather than making sure their basic hygiene protocols were up to scratch.

There are also concerns that such “washes” would be used by less scrupulous meat processing plants to increase the shelf-life of meat, making it appear fresher than it really is.

If the UK were obliged to accept chlorine chicken and acid-washed meat from the US, this would not need to be flagged up on product packaging because these washes and sprays would count as “processing aids”, which don’t need to be labelled.

HORMONE AND ANTIBIOTIC GROWTH PROMOTERS

The EU has a general ban on the use of synthetic hormones to promote growth in farm animals because the European Food Safety Authority says that there isn’t enough data to fully assess potential human health risks, such as increased cancer, and early puberty.

In the US, synthetic hormones are considered safe, and intensively reared beef cattle and dairy cows are often implanted with them. Pigs are also treated with the beta-agonist drug Ractopamine, which has hormone-like bodybuilding effects.

Globally, there is heightened awareness that the overuse of antibiotics in farming is encouraging the emergence of bacterial infections in animals and humans that are resistant to key groups of these vital drugs. The latest data shows that 75% of medically important antibiotics in the US were given to farm animals. In the UK, the equivalent amount is lower (40%), largely because EU farmers have not been allowed to use antibiotics to make their animals grow bigger more quickly – or produce more milk.

Once a UK-US trade deal was signed, US meat processors would be likely to see big opportunities to get their pork – and to a lesser extent, their beef – into the UK. These imports would probably be purchased by processed food manufacturers. And as their multi-ingredient products don’t have to list the country of origin of individual ingredients, there would be no sure way of avoiding eating milk or meat produced to less exacting US standards, unless you never ate processed food.

ANIMAL BYPRODUCTS FED BACK TO LIVESTOCK

Powerful US meat and grain corporations want the EU to drop restrictions on animal byproducts (abattoir offcuts and waste) in animal feedstuffs, arguing that it is a barrier to trade aimed at protecting our internal market. The American Feed Industry Association has already challenged this EU rule on the grounds that its industry experienced a 62% drop in exports over the past decade because of it.

The practice of feeding slaughterhouse byproducts, such as brains and spinal cord, back to animals in their rations can result in outbreaks of livestock diseases: swine fever, foot and mouth disease and mad cow disease. It is thought to be the most likely cause of in humans.

The UK’s willingness to accept imports of animal feed manufactured with animal byproducts (and GM soya) could be a prerequisite of any US trade deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... d-eu-rules

The NFU's attitude is the most worrying because, while US imports would go into fast food, restaurants and ready meals, if we're then okay with it too that'll be the chicken on our plates in the supermarket as well.

If I had to pay £12 for an Organic chicken I'd only be eating it once a week. Prince Charles should bring this up in his meeting with Trump!

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PostRe: National Farmers Union say they would have no problem implementing chlorine-washed chicken in the UK
by Moggy » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:15 pm

I am also looking forward to the US health industry getting involved in the NHS. Yay Brexit!

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PostRe: National Farmers Union say they would have no problem implementing chlorine-washed chicken in the UK
by Ironhide » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:28 pm

Just don't buy any food that is labelled as "product of the USA".

Edit: or UK for that matter.

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by Lagamorph » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:31 pm

Not surprising given that farmers were hugely in favour of leaving the EU.

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PostRe: National Farmers Union say they would have no problem implementing chlorine-washed chicken in the UK
by False » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:33 pm

Sacrificing our own values for tariff free GMO meat! SAD!

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by False » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:34 pm

Ironhide wrote:Just don't buy any food that is labelled as "product of the USA".


Read it again.

NFU will process our food to the same standard as US food so they can compete on cost.

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by Trelliz » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:35 pm

Ironhide wrote:Just don't buy any food that is labelled as "product of the USA".


Go back and re-read the part about uk farmers adopting the same methods themselves to compete on price.

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PostRe: National Farmers Union say they would have no problem implementing chlorine-washed chicken in the UK
by Irene Demova » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:39 pm

Farmers have always been absolute twats. I'd seriously consider stopping eating meat if our food standards became as lax as america's.

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by Ironhide » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:48 pm

Irene Demova wrote:Farmers have always been absolute twats. I'd seriously consider stopping eating meat if our food standards became as lax as america's.


Yeah, I'd go vegetarian if that happened, I don't eat much meat anyway so probably wouldn't miss it.

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by KK » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:50 pm

This is also a cost issue too, never mind an environmental and health one. You're basically removing the bottom and middle tiers & telling everyone 'well, if you want STANDARDS you've got to buy Organic'. Anyone not rich enough to afford it will have to put up with much lower quality of produce.

GM foods okay, there's a lot of mixed messages to that argument, but who wants all that other shite in their food. We've already got a bee problem; I don't see how caking more of the environment in pesticides is going to help.

Irene Demova wrote:Farmers have always been absolute twats. I'd seriously consider stopping eating meat if our food standards became as lax as america's.

Interestingly enough it looks like the NFU is also trying to pick a fight with Sainsbury's over their audacity to start promoting fruit and vegetables over meat products in certain stores.

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by Moggy » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:00 pm

Lagamorph wrote:Not surprising given that farmers were hugely in favour of leaving the EU.


I can't wait for the twats to lose their subsidies. :lol:

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PostRe: National Farmers Union say they would have no problem implementing chlorine-washed chicken in the UK
by Qikz » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:02 pm

strawberry float that. If they start doing that I'm going vegetarian.

I love Meat, but like hell am I eating meat that's been sprayed with acid or washed in Chlorine.

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by Floex » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:04 pm

Something like this would push me ever closer to becoming a vegetarian. How is this even allowed?

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PostRe: National Farmers Union say they would have no problem implementing chlorine-washed chicken in the UK
by Preezy » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:09 pm

Qikz wrote:I love Meat, but like hell am I eating meat that's been sprayed with acid or washed in Chlorine.

Meh, I've been America lots of times and eaten copious amounts of meat whilst I was there and it hasn't appeared to do me any harm.





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by Moggy » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:10 pm

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Qikz wrote:I love Meat, but like hell am I eating meat that's been sprayed with acid or washed in Chlorine.

Meh, I've been America lots of times and eaten copious amounts of meat whilst I was there and it hasn't appeared to do me any harm.


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by Trelliz » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:10 pm

Floex wrote:Something like this would push me ever closer to becoming a vegetarian. How is this even allowed?


Derivatives of GM maize and soya are in thousands of processed foods in the US. American consumers’ demands to see them labelled have been quashed by lobbying from big biotech companies, notably Monsanto.


There it is - corporate interests and profits>your health and wellbeing. Welcome to the dystopian nightmare future where the rich can afford food that doesn't slowly kill them while the rest of us eat gooseberry fool that makes us perpetually ill which then feeds into the coming privatised health industry. Its enough to make you want to jump off a bridge.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:11 pm

Just eat Quorn.

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by KK » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:22 pm

Look at the type of thing American kids currently wake up to in the morning, and this is just one example of a relatively new import in UK supermarkets:

Lucky Charms

Whole Grain Oats, Sugar, Genetically Modified Oat Flour**, Genetically Modified Corn Syrup**, Genetically Modified Corn** Starch, Dextrose, Salt, Gelatin (Beef), Antioxidant: Trisodium Phosphate (E339) and Mixed Tocopherols (Vitamin E), Canola Oil, Artificial Colourings: Tartrazine (E102)**, Sunset Yellow (E110)**, Allura Red (E129)** and Brilliant Blue (E133), Fortified Vitamins and Minerals: Calcium Carbonate (E170), Zinc, Iron, Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Niacinamide, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Palmitate (Vitamin A), Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Folic Acid, Vitamin B12, Vitamin D3.

Sugar per serving (without milk): 19.0g

** PRODUCT WARNING: May have an adverse effect on activity and attention in children.

This is what General Mills get up to when given half the chance. A product so unhealthy it needs a sticker over the top of the US ingredients because they lack transparency.

Add milk to this and there is more sugar than a 330ml can of coke. They couldn't give a flying strawberry float.

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PostRe: National Farmers Union say they would have no problem implementing chlorine-washed chicken in the UK
by Lagamorph » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:48 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Just eat Quorn.

Whoa there, let's not go Trump levels of batshit crazy here.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:08 pm

Lagamorph wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Just eat Quorn.

Whoa there, let's not go Trump levels of batshit crazy here.


In all seriousness I'm not vegetarian but my parents in law are and I really like Quorn. Whenever I read stories about meat shortages in the future and how we are going to have to grown meat in labs or eat insects I often think why don't we just mass produce Quorn?

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