Mass Effect: Andromeda

Falsey wrote:I had this delicious 3 course meal, it was great until the chef decided to climb onto the table and drop a steamer onto the key lime pie. Im not going to let that tar the meal though.

Slowly step away from the keyboard Falsey, that analogy was just pile of gooseberry fool (lol get it? pile of gooseberry fool) .

Dblock wrote:
Falsey wrote:I had this delicious 3 course meal, it was great until the chef decided to climb onto the table and drop a steamer onto the key lime pie. Im not going to let that tar the meal though.

Slowly step away from the keyboard Falsey, that analogy was just pile of gooseberry fool (lol get it? pile of gooseberry fool) .

LOL! Good one

Falsey wrote:
Dblock wrote:
Falsey wrote:I had this delicious 3 course meal, it was great until the chef decided to climb onto the table and drop a steamer onto the key lime pie. Im not going to let that tar the meal though.

Slowly step away from the keyboard Falsey, that analogy was just pile of gooseberry fool (lol get it? pile of gooseberry fool) .

LOL! Good one

HAHAHA thanks M8

So long as it has Garrus in and a decent soundtrack I'm all good. Shame it can't be like Star Citizen.

The 2013 Video Game Awards are set to take place next month, and we’ve been informed that the next Mass Effect title will receive an announcement there. The source that passed this information to us is also the same that helped us bring forth the first details on the existence of Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City.

http://stickskills.com/2013/11/08/new-mass-effect-announcement-vga-2013/

Saint of Killers wrote:
The 2013 Video Game Awards are set to take place next month, and we’ve been informed that the next Mass Effect title will receive an announcement there. The source that passed this information to us is also the same that helped us bring forth the first details on the existence of Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City.

http://stickskills.com/2013/11/08/new-mass-effect-announcement-vga-2013/

Looking forward to that :datass:

Even if it'll probably just be a 15 second CGI thing. I'm getting my hopes up already :lol:

But i reckon there's no way that Bioware won't have taken all the criticism on board that they got from Mass Effect 3. Not sure what they'll do storywise (i'm guessing something set way in the future way past ME3) but I think this'll have more of an RPG feel to it than recent Mass Effect games.

Mass Effect 3's nonsense and the utter disdain from Bioware and the games press towards longtime fans of the series completely killed my interest. This will have to be one hell of a game to suck me back in.

Unconfirmed stuff swiped from GAF (via some other site) :arrow:

So long story short I saw that tweet from Mike Gamble a few weeks ago that said "...if you love Mass Effect and are going to PAX Prime email me..." And so I did and then I stumbled upon this forum of like-minded people and thought I'd make an account in case there was something shown to support IT; cause if you're like me waiting for something, anything, is painful enough. Needless to say I was one of the 21 people that got to give feedback on the concepts as they showed them and gave us tiny cryptic bits of information.

So I'll start by saying that they did show us a metric shit-ton of concept art with very brief explanations. I don't even know of a logical order to start in.

They started off with the profound question of what N7 means to us which you might read into it not being a previous cycle I guess.

Then this was followed by asking us whether we wanted a direct sequel, a prequel, or something somewhere completely different at a different time. The resounding majority wanted a sequel series, which I think they knew already. And this is based completely off of my opinion but by judging the concept art it has absolutely got to be a sequel.

First concepts were of two new races. The first one being described as "Arrogant". They were really skinny, almost skeletal. Their bodies vaguely looked like a boney Turian. They had glowing eyes and a neck that frilled up from their chest (once they show it off you'll see how hard it is to describe. Their heads almost remind me of the aliens from Independence Day. The second new race was described as "Ancient, Advanced, and Guardian". They had a similar color scheme to reapers and they looked like classic fantasy/sci-fi golems. Sleek rocky or metallic bodies with bright glowing lines flowing all over them. Some had fragmented pieces and shattered bits floating in place around them.

So I'm thinking sequel because new races are kind of hard to explain in a prequel especially when it does take place in the current cycle and I definitely know that for sure because the next few things they showed us were really nice cg models of an asari, salarian, human, and krogan running in the new frostbite engine. They looked amazing by the way. Also they stated that, like humans having many different features from each other, they wanted to do that with other races. That showed off some salarians and krogans with interesting face and bone structures. They also asked an odd but hard question for everyone. They showed a lineup of a character from each main race in the series and asked us which two would we get rid of if we had to. I couldn't do it but I was sadly surprised at how many people said quarian and krogan.

Anyways, they showed off a random human model wearing various armors and configurations asking us what we liked and thought was potentially iconic. They also showed us a slew of land vehicles that would serve for different environments. And the most interesting vehicle was a personal sized Normandy-esque ship that could "fit a mako-like vehicle in it". So the new races mingling with the old ones and a ship that looks like normandy architecture, sounds like sequel material to me. They said that as always characters and choices are most important and that they want to focus on exploration and discovery again. And then they finished by showing off too many concept art screens in rapid succession for me to be able to grasp anything. Just a whole lot of beautiful and interesting landscapes.

So that's that, I know it didn't quite answer any of our IT questions but if you're like me and have been holding out for 4 holding the answer to IT and the original endings of some dark matter stuff then the fact that this is most likely a sequel is great. And honestly what they showed us was absolutely amazing and I can't wait either way, I just love this universe so much. Thank you all for checking this out.

Summary:
- Opened with "What does N7 mean to you?"
- Asked if they'd like to see a sequel, prequel, or something different. Overwhelming majority said sequel.
- "Arrogant" race. Thin and skeletal. Glowing eyes. Necks that "frilled up from their chest".
- "Ancient, advanced, guardian" race. Like sci-fi stone golems with Tron-like glowing lines over their bodies and floating fragments/shards.
- Asari, Salarian, Human, and Krogam shown in Frostbite 3.
- Want to bring across the model variety of human models to other races, giving them more diverse bone structure.
- Showed a line-up of the series' main races, and asked fans to pick two if they had to get rid of them. Most picked Quarian and Krogan. Speculation: The game has multiple playable races in campaign, and BioWare wants feedback on which they should be.
- Multiple human armour configurations shown. Asked which would be most iconic. Speculation: Marketing query, to work out what should be on the box.
- Multiple land vehicles shown.
- Focus is on character sand choices, but they want to bring back the focus on exploration and discovery.

They didn't show any female krogans to my remembrance, there were several various head configurations with face plating on the forehead, jaw line, and chin.

They looked very synthetic, give a typical rock golem the Tron Legacy makeover and you've got it. Reaper color scheme though. Kind of like Sylux from Metroid Bounty Hunters; slightly less robotic in appearance.

They did say that exploration and story are very important and that one of their goals to strive for was "a stranger in a strange land like ME1" I think that's the way Mike Gamble worded it.

Also you reminded me of the thing about save customization. Mike did mention that they were looking into leaving a kind of debugging-like menu in the game for picking plot flags when making a save file so you can have the exact file you want without having to do another crazy long playthrough or going through a really limited motion comic.

Also off topic, something else I remembered that was mentioned but not shown. They really want to do crazy customizable armor. Down to different pieces, colors, textures, materials, and whatnot.

Awesome info there Saint, I hope that it does end up being legit as some of the stuff there sounds pretty interesting. I'm definitely on the side that would prefer to see a sequel rather than a prequel. A renewed focus back on character choice and exploration is exactly the sort of stuff i'd like to see in Mass Effect 4.

Again assuming it's all legit, i'm a little surprised the Krogan were voted as one of the races they wouldn't mind seeing gone. I guess after the huge focus they had in ME3, maybe some folks would prefer to see some other races get the focus and attention.

Mafro wrote:Mass Effect 3's nonsense and the utter disdain from Bioware and the games press towards longtime fans of the series completely killed my interest. This will have to be one hell of a game to suck me back in.

In the whole ME3 furore it was the gamer's at most fault for demanding Bioware go back and change the ending. Yes the ending was terrible but you wouldn't ask an author or film director to go back and change the ending of a story if it was gooseberry fool. You'd wish they had, but you wouldn't expect them to. Bioware should have had more balls and stood by what they did rather than pander to a bunch of entitled pricks.

The ending sucked, oh well, move on. The whole mess that occurred was just embarrassing

Skippy wrote:
Mafro wrote:Mass Effect 3's nonsense and the utter disdain from Bioware and the games press towards longtime fans of the series completely killed my interest. This will have to be one hell of a game to suck me back in.

In the whole ME3 furore it was the gamer's at most fault for demanding Bioware go back and change the ending. Yes the ending was terrible but you wouldn't ask an author or film director to go back and change the ending of a story if it was gooseberry fool. You'd wish they had, but you wouldn't expect them to. Bioware should have had more balls and stood by what they did rather than pander to a bunch of entitled pricks.

The ending sucked, oh well, move on. The whole mess that occurred was just embarrassing

What's embarrassing was the press sucking Bioware's cock because PR, and openly slagging off their outlet's readership. Plus the idea that anyone who complained about the ending was an "entitled prick" became pretty tedious very quickly and it's no shock this mostly came from the press side of things.

The ending flat out disregarded story threads that had been set up from the first game and apparent "big" decisions made throughout the series.

The ending was awful, really really awful. There's no denying that. The press knowing that the gamers were in the wrong doesn't mean they were sucking up to anyone - though some outlets clearly did in a very patronising and sickening way. The entitled pricks thing was only so prevalent as to become "tedious" because so many people were saying it. The reason so many people said it? Because it was true!

I don't see how someone demanding a storyteller change the ending of their own story can be seen as anything other than them being entitled.

Edit: Insinuating that the press can't go against their own readership sounds like you're saying gamers are infallible, which simply isn't true.

Skippy wrote:
Mafro wrote:Mass Effect 3's nonsense and the utter disdain from Bioware and the games press towards longtime fans of the series completely killed my interest. This will have to be one hell of a game to suck me back in.

In the whole ME3 furore it was the gamer's at most fault for demanding Bioware go back and change the ending. Yes the ending was terrible but you wouldn't ask an author or film director to go back and change the ending of a story if it was gooseberry fool. You'd wish they had, but you wouldn't expect them to. Bioware should have had more balls and stood by what they did rather than pander to a bunch of entitled pricks.

The ending sucked, oh well, move on. The whole mess that occurred was just embarrassing

They didn't exactly change the ending though did they? They just added a few things to actually make it make some sort of sense, and remove the blatant continuity errors. It was clearly rushed and felt like it was something thought up at the last minute by someone who had no involvement with the rest of the story. It was also pretty much everything we had been promised it wouldn't be, some of the pre release quotes made about what the ending would and wouldn't be were hard to believe, and suggest something went very wrong towards the end of development.

It had nothing to do with vision, or artistic integrity, the ending was broken in it's original state, and an insult to the money and time fans had invested into the series up to that point. Sometimes companies just make mistakes, or individuals ruin things for everyone, it appears this is what happened at Bioware and it would have been an even bigger mistake to not address it. The fact is they did address it, and people can move on and look forward to future games.

Skippy wrote:The ending was awful, really really awful. There's no denying that. The press knowing that the gamers were in the wrong doesn't mean they were sucking up to anyone - though some outlets clearly did in a very patronising and sickening way. The entitled pricks thing was only so prevalent as to become "tedious" because so many people were saying it. The reason so many people said it? Because it was true!

I don't see how someone demanding a storyteller change the ending of their own story can be seen as anything other than them being entitled.

Edit: Insinuating that the press can't go against their own readership sounds like you're saying gamers are infallible, which simply isn't true.

Sometimes things are handled so badly, that it really is justified to be publicly against it. If Disney decide to end the next star wars trilogy by having Luke unzip his skin to reveal that underneath he is actually Darth vadar all along, was actually his own father, which is possible because his mother was actually an ewok and mating with one creates a rift in time and space, then there would be a justified negative reaction towards it.

The people making death threats and demanding changes at the top of their voice are simply the vocal minority that always gather the most attention, it doesn't invalidate the majority of fans who felt completely betrayed by the false promises and broken ending.

There are people still holding out for the indoctrination theory to be revisited? :lol:

The ending was gooseberry fool, the extended cut did an admirable job of polishing it up considering its limitations (and pretty much disproved IT), Leviathan makes the ending less of a curveball and Citadel is a great send-off to those characters. Shepard's done, get over it.

I won't refuse a return to the discovery and mystique of ME1. Give me the Mako 2.0!

I don't understand why races have to be cut - all of them had neat sub-plots, agendas, and gave the universe more context.

Buffalo wrote:I don't understand why races have to be cut - all of them had neat sub-plots, agendas, and gave the universe more context.

It does seem a bit strange really. Even if you've got nothing plot-wise to do with the race as a whole, just stick them around as background characters. It seems a strange decision to be asking what race people would most like to see cut. You could almost say that there might be some kind of plot decision that will result in the destruction of one of the races, but I don't see how that would work given how spread across the galaxy every race is. Even if you destroy a homeworld there are still colonies around. The only way I could see around it would be some kind of plague that only affects one race.

Anung wrote:I don't want this to be a proper sequel anyway with any of the characters. They should make it a fresh start set thousands of years in the future or something.

That's what I can see happening really. Perhaps not thousands of years in the future, but certainly decades or maybe a century. Long enough that events are still remembered, but are consigned firmly to history.
At the very least, I think we'll be seeing a whole new cast of main characters, with perhaps mentions of some of the others or meeting someone like Liara given her lifespan, but not really involving her in the main plot.

How are sequels going to even work, after...well, y'know, the ending and all that?

Buffalo wrote:How are sequels going to even work, after...well, y'know, the ending and all that?

I don't see how it would be so difficult really. There's plenty of the galaxy left unexplored, so plenty of opportunity to discover new races to come into conflict with.

I could quite easily see the new big baddies being some kind of extra-galactic race from somewhere like Andromeda or beyond, that only stayed away from the Milky Way due to fear of the Reapers who are now gone, and are now coming because the Milky Way contains something that they want.

Series needs a reboot.

Well how would they get about to discover gooseberry fool, after...well, y'know...

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