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by Corazon de Leon » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:05 am

Plus the bad guy from Road Trip gave a long and meaningful look to the camera after he jumped the ship in the last episode so there are probably consequences for doing that to one's self.

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by Squinty » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:20 am

I have no doubt that will be the case. I guess it's more how they will reach that conclusion. I'm thinking things may get pretty dark in this show for the science dude until ethical concerns are listened to. Lorca seems to be a law onto himself, and if the section 31 connection is right, then that makes it more interesting.

It could be pretty good if they handle it correctly. Star Trek has done this before with great success. In the Pale Moonlight is the ultimate episode for showing unethical or downright disturbing practices for the greater good.

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PostRe: Star Trek Discovery
by Hexx » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:31 am

In the Pale Moonlight works though because it's a series of minor steps Sisko takes.
He (and the audience) make one compromise after another until the ultimate escalation (and final compromise).

It wouldn't work if Sisko was constantly dark - and it works because it's an examination of two conflicting approaches (Sisko/Starfleets normal and Sisko ITPM).

So far there's little conflict in this. We get talk about Lorca being a warmonger etc - but it's barely brought much conflict and most of the crew are down with it. It came up briefly today but it was presented as Micheal being the odd one - not Micheal being the viewpoint of Starfleet (the optimistic future) and Lorca challenging it.

There's no really big hint on the ship that Lorca's pushing boundaries and challenging established norms. (Saru skirts it occasionally)

It might work better if Micheal weren't a mutineer. Have the pilot happen pretty much the same - but she's still given her own command and her actions are seen in context. But Lorca picks her up on the way as ship destroyed by Klingons. You then have a highly trained, but questioning, Starfleet officer serving under the rogue Captain challenging her established (and Geogrio tought Starfleet focused) ideals, and able to say "what about what you did?" etc.

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PostRe: Star Trek Discovery
by Karl » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:57 pm

Lagamorph wrote:
Squinty wrote:
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I think it is an interesting idea but it makes me wonder what they'll do to get rid of it. Or should I say, what will happen in order for them to make that decision.

Given that it needs a living being to be painfully plugged in for it to function, plus the risk that using it will turn every living being on the ship inside out, I imagine it'd basically be declared too dangerous/unstable/unethical to use and all material related to it is classified and archived away to be forgotten about.

Still doesn't explain why Voyager doesn't chance it though. Particularly given it's established that Janeway is up to speed on Section 31 stuff.

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PostRe: Star Trek Discovery
by Lagamorph » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:39 pm

Karl wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Squinty wrote:
No:1 Final Fantasy Fan wrote:not liking this spore drive drivel lol

I think it is an interesting idea but it makes me wonder what they'll do to get rid of it. Or should I say, what will happen in order for them to make that decision.

Given that it needs a living being to be painfully plugged in for it to function, plus the risk that using it will turn every living being on the ship inside out, I imagine it'd basically be declared too dangerous/unstable/unethical to use and all material related to it is classified and archived away to be forgotten about.

Still doesn't explain why Voyager doesn't chance it though. Particularly given it's established that Janeway is up to speed on Section 31 stuff.

By that point in time the technology is probably long forgotten about. It's also likely Voyager doesn't carry that level of classified information in it's computer. They had general Federation records sure but I doubt every starship is carrying around every piece of classified Starfleet information that was archived over a hundred years earlier.

There's also the issue if requiring Tardigrade DNA to make humans compatible, and the first one was only discovered by accident, nobody currently has any idea how to get another one to get more DNA.

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PostRe: Star Trek Discovery
by more heat than light » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:40 pm

The swearing was so strawberry floating cool.

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Worst episode so far for me, though I'm still rather enjoying it.

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PostRe: Star Trek Discovery
by Somebody Else's Problem » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:45 pm

Karl wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Squinty wrote:
No:1 Final Fantasy Fan wrote:not liking this spore drive drivel lol

I think it is an interesting idea but it makes me wonder what they'll do to get rid of it. Or should I say, what will happen in order for them to make that decision.

Given that it needs a living being to be painfully plugged in for it to function, plus the risk that using it will turn every living being on the ship inside out, I imagine it'd basically be declared too dangerous/unstable/unethical to use and all material related to it is classified and archived away to be forgotten about.

Still doesn't explain why Voyager doesn't chance it though. Particularly given it's established that Janeway is up to speed on Section 31 stuff.


But then look at how she reacted to the crew of the Equinox boosting their warp engines with living creatures.

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PostRe: Star Trek Discovery
by Karl » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:51 pm

I am impressed you remember Voyager well enough to reference Equinox, I had actually totally forgotten about it.

I guess that's a fair enough point, well made.

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PostRe: Star Trek Discovery
by Lagamorph » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:25 pm

I suppose the difference there is that the process Equinox used was to basically kill a living being, grind it down into dust and use the remains as fuel. Which is a bit different from a volunteer painfully plugging themselves into a computer.

Of course there's also the hint that there going to be some very negative effects from a human going through the process

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PostRe: Star Trek Discovery
by No:1 Final Fantasy Fan » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:47 pm

Aw yeah I remember in Equinox they were killing aliens to power their drive. I guess this spore tech isn't so bad afterall if its comparable to Voyager :wub:

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PostRe: Star Trek Discovery
by Somebody Else's Problem » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:41 pm

Karl wrote:I am impressed you remember Voyager well enough to reference Equinox, I had actually totally forgotten about it.

I guess that's a fair enough point, well made.


Never underestimate my ability to recall pointless geek stuff.

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PostRe: Star Trek Discovery
by Hexx » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:14 am

The only way the storyline works with later shows if the network spore network is destroyed at the end.

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PostRe: Star Trek Discovery
by Lagamorph » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:55 am

Hexx wrote:The only way the storyline works with later shows if the network spore network is destroyed at the end.

I could see something like that happening. The Klingons get hold of the Spore Drive tech or something so Starfleet (or just Lorca himself) destroys the network, or somehow otherwise blocks it from being accessed, to stop the Klingons using it against them.

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PostRe: Star Trek Discovery
by Hexx » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:58 am

Lagamorph wrote:
Hexx wrote:The only way the storyline works with later shows if the network spore network is destroyed at the end.

I could see something like that happening. The Klingons get hold of the Spore Drive tech or something so Starfleet destroys the network, or somehow otherwise blocks it from being accessed, to stop the Klingons using it against them.


If they want to avoid fans for months/years going "Why didn't Picard/Sisko/Janeway" etc mention this possible propulsion method at any point it's gotta be gone.

Not locked off, not damaging so can't be used, destroyed, burnt and earth salted so it can never recover.

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PostRe: Star Trek Discovery
by Karl » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:35 pm

That would fit with the insufferable edgelord tone of the show as well. Lorca will jerk off into the last cylinder of spores before personally throwing it in the incinerator, laughing maniacally.

God I hate this show but I can't stop watching :slol:

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PostRe: Star Trek Discovery
by Hexx » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:46 pm

Talking to a chap last night at the pub.

We're 5(?) years pre Kirk. Where's all the miniskirts?

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PostRe: Star Trek Discovery
by Lagamorph » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:53 pm

10 years pre-Kirk.

The Enterprise is around already though, it was launched in 2245 and Discovery is set in 2256. Kirk took command in 2265. Right now it's under the command of Captain Pike, who took over from Robert April.

Though this raises an annoyance at the Discovery having a lower registration number than the Enterprise despite being commissioned 11 years later.

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PostRe: Star Trek Discovery
by No:1 Final Fantasy Fan » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:52 pm

O yeah it was nice to see a gay couple in this Star Trek too

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PostRe: Star Trek Discovery
by Somebody Else's Problem » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:19 pm

Lagamorph wrote:Though this raises an annoyance at the Discovery having a lower registration number than the Enterprise despite being commissioned 11 years later.


I don't think it was ever canon that registries were sequential, though.

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PostRe: Star Trek Discovery
by Lagamorph » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:14 pm

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:Though this raises an annoyance at the Discovery having a lower registration number than the Enterprise despite being commissioned 11 years later.


I don't think it was ever canon that registries were sequential, though.

It's pretty strongly implied throughout the series though with later ships having higher numbers.

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