Next gen controllers.

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PostNext gen controllers.
by Peter Crisp » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:17 pm

With a new generation of machines usually seeing a new version of the controllers what would you like to see changed?

Personally I'd actually like a downgrade for the PS5 pad and ditch the touchpad and just make the pad more durable but with the added ability to remap all buttons, sticks and triggers with multiple presets all done via a simple program in the OS.

The Xbox pad for me really doesn't need any changes other than making it moire rugged and the Elite style to become standard maybe with the underneath paddles being sold separately.

So, what would you like?

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PostRe: Next gen controllers.
by Lagamorph » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:28 pm

One thing I hope nobody follows is Valve's example with the touchpads on the Steam Controllers.

Worst controllers I've ever had the misfortunte to use.

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PostRe: Next gen controllers.
by Jamo3103 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:30 pm

If we're sticking with a traditional controller I don't really see a lot that needs changing - I do agree with you on the point of the touchpad as I don't really feel it's necessary but equally I wouldn't be bothered if we kept it. Being able to remap all buttons through the OS rather than requiring it to be an in game option would be useful.

Out of the controllers I currently use then the only one I'd really change are the Joycons - assuming that Nintendo keep a similar system design next gen (or even if we get a potential Switch XL). I'd like it to have some added curvature at the back to make it more comfortable to hold and I'd also like the controller to be that bit larger so we can have full size-sticks and buttons. A return to proper triggers would be great too. I wouldn't mind seeing a return to the Gamecube concept of having different shaped face buttons but it doesn't really work for every game so I can understand why we haven't seen it again since.

If companies are being a bit more open minded though I'd love to see a split controller, in the style of the Oculus Touch controllers. They're insanely comfortable controllers with all the buttons that a standard controller does (except for a D-Pad) but they can be held in seperate hands, something which for me makes them more comfortable to be used. In addition to that, they're ideal for VR. You could even have some sort of dock like the Joycons have to make them resemble a standard controller for anybody who prefers that.

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PostRe: Next gen controllers.
by Robbo-92 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:36 pm

Being pretty much Switch only the only change I’d feel is a must have is a return to analogue triggers. Other than that maybe a little comfier to hold but personally I have no issues playing for exctended periods with the joycons in any configuration (split, in grip etc), they’re just a bit flat, keep meaning to buy one of those grips that covers the entire console for when I play undocked but still not gotten around to it.

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PostRe: Next gen controllers.
by Peter Crisp » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:51 pm

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I have no idea why but the idea of using sticks without it being on a controller which is a single unit just somehow doesn't compute with me.
It seems like it would feel really odd (even though I have a PSVR and the wands and a Wii) and I've become so used to my hands being together when interacting with a TV console.

I really like the look of it but my mind just rebels against it and I don't know why :fp: .

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PostRe: Next gen controllers.
by Jamo3103 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:04 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:
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I have no idea why but the idea of using sticks without it being on a controller which is a single unit just somehow doesn't compute with me.
It seems like it would feel really odd (even though I have a PSVR and the wands and a Wii) and I've become so used to my hands being together when interacting with a TV console.

I really like the look of it but my mind just rebels against it and I don't know why :fp: .


Haha I totally understand - it's the main reason why I don't think it'll happen. It's just too different from the norm. I really loved using the controllers separately with the Wii and on Switch games which support it though, just find it so comfortable. I wish there was a way to use the Oculus controllers for normal games so I could see how well it works in practice but I don't think anyone has made a modification which can do that.

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PostRe: Next gen controllers.
by Sandy » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:08 pm

Save everyone some money and just stick with the versions they already have.

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PostRe: Next gen controllers.
by Peter Crisp » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:25 pm

Snowy wrote:Save everyone some money and just stick with the versions they already have.


That's a good point.

Would you buy a new console without a controller if it's priced maybe £40 cheaper?

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by NickSCFC » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:33 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:Personally I'd actually like a downgrade for the PS5 pad and ditch the touchpad and just make the pad more durable but with the added ability to remap all buttons, sticks and triggers with multiple presets all done via a simple program in the OS.


If there's to be PS4 support then that touchpad will be needed.

Unless there's a focus on VR which requires something like breakapart controllers by default then I'd be happy with a Dualshock 4 with a better battery and USB-C.

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PostRe: Next gen controllers.
by Ironhide » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:07 pm

I'd like to see Sony and Nintendo follow Microsoft's lead and launch their next consoles alongside a controller similar to the Xbox Adaptive Controller so disabled gamers can setup their own bespoke controllers.

One slight difference being that a standalone analogue stick (which the user can position in any comfortable/useable position) should be included as the MS one only has a d-pad which can't be moved, its difficult to know which third party joystick/trackball/other interface devices are compatible with it and there is no official MS solution other than using a standard Xbone pad alongside it in co-pilot mode.

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PostRe: Next gen controllers.
by Peter Crisp » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:31 pm

Yulehide wrote:I'd like to see Sony and Nintendo follow Microsoft's lead and launch their next consoles alongside a controller similar to the Xbox Adaptive Controller so disabled gamers can setup their own bespoke controllers.

One slight difference being that a standalone analogue stick (which the user can position in any comfortable/useable position) should be included as the MS one only has a d-pad which can't be moved, its difficult to know which third party joystick/trackball/other interface devices are compatible with it and there is no official MS solution other than using a standard Xbone pad alongside it in co-pilot mode.


It would be nice if all the companies can come together and create a solution that can be used by all machines and maybe have a test group set-up as it benefits the entire industry to get disabled gamers more involved.
If you can have something that you can use easily you can decide for yourself which platform you prefer.

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PostRe: Next gen controllers.
by Sandy » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:31 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:
Snowy wrote:Save everyone some money and just stick with the versions they already have.


That's a good point.

Would you buy a new console without a controller if it's priced maybe £40 cheaper?


If they built the PSU into the machine like they have done for the current consoles I'd happily just take the console itself. No HDMI, no power cable and no controllers.

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PostRe: Next gen controllers.
by kerr9000 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:41 am

Snowy wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:
Snowy wrote:Save everyone some money and just stick with the versions they already have.


That's a good point.

Would you buy a new console without a controller if it's priced maybe £40 cheaper?


If they built the PSU into the machine like they have done for the current consoles I'd happily just take the console itself. No HDMI, no power cable and no controllers.


This is exactly how I feel, as long as the cost cutting is being passed on to the consumer then I am happy just to get the machine and have to use my old wires

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PostRe: Next gen controllers.
by OrangeRKN » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:49 am

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PostRe: Next gen controllers.
by Vermilion » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:58 pm

Love the current PS4 controller, so any significant changes would likely spoil things for me.

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PostRe: Next gen controllers.
by Poser » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:15 pm

Snowy wrote:Save everyone some money and just stick with the versions they already have.


Absolutely genius idea.

Make DS4s completely compatible. There's surely no need for any different tech in these controllers, is there? Especially as they've already been made with VR in mind.

An entry-level PS5 that cost £50 less, with no controllers, would sell like hot sex.

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PostRe: Next gen controllers.
by The Watching Artist » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:26 pm

Dear Sony,

Put stick in correct place. Thanks.

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PostRe: Next gen controllers.
by Dowbocop » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:45 pm

kerr9000 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:
Snowy wrote:Save everyone some money and just stick with the versions they already have.


That's a good point.

Would you buy a new console without a controller if it's priced maybe £40 cheaper?


If they built the PSU into the machine like they have done for the current consoles I'd happily just take the console itself. No HDMI, no power cable and no controllers.


This is exactly how I feel, as long as the cost cutting is being passed on to the consumer then I am happy just to get the machine and have to use my old wires

I'd like to see just how much of the £400 or whatever for a new console is taken up by the cables you mention. I'd imagine it costs barely anything to chuck in a kettle lead, micro USB, and HDMI cable. It would probably cost them more money than it's worth to have a separate packing line for a separate SKU, before you factor in the thousands of returns on Boxing Day from parents who didn't do their research and just wanted everything in the box.

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PostRe: Next gen controllers.
by OrangeRKN » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:16 pm

Cables are being dropped from lots of things, like when you buy a phone now you likely won't get a charger or usb cable. It would environmentally be an excellent move

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PostRe: Next gen controllers.
by Vermilion » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:21 pm

OrangeReindeer wrote:Cables are being dropped from lots of things, like when you buy a phone now you likely won't get a charger or usb cable. It would environmentally be an excellent move


Except for the fact that every time i get a new phone, the charging socket on said phone is a different shape which renders the old one useless.

If you're not careful you just end up having to buy a charger separately anyways, which does nothing except increase the cost.


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