NGP vs 3DS

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

suzzopher wrote:

mic wrote:Well, stick a disclaimer on the box - requires 3d. Not too many people can't see it, surely? You'll be wanting them to cater for the blind next!

The 3D effect has been known to cause head aches etc for extended plays, so having a game rely on it isn't going to go down well. I honestly think Nintendo could be the only developer capable of defining gameplay in 3D, but by not making as standard they are kinda hamstrung.

Isn't there a way the developer can "force" the system to go into 3D mode, independant of the position of the slider? I'm sure I heard that the 3D movies can do that.

Not in the documents I have read for apps.

NickSCFC wrote:

HSH28 wrote:3D is new and interesting.

More new and interesting than touch controls, 3G or compatibility with phones. Those things might be new to PSP, but they aren't anything like new in general.

A 3D screen on a portable device might not be unheard of before, but the 3DS will be the first mass market device in the west to have one.

So 3D adds more to gaming than touch controls?

lol k

Depends what kind of game you are playing.

In something like Uncharted? Sure it does.

For Ouendan probably not.

HSH28 wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:

HSH28 wrote:3D is new and interesting.

More new and interesting than touch controls, 3G or compatibility with phones. Those things might be new to PSP, but they aren't anything like new in general.

A 3D screen on a portable device might not be unheard of before, but the 3DS will be the first mass market device in the west to have one.

So 3D adds more to gaming than touch controls?

lol k

Depends what kind of game you are playing.

In something like Uncharted? Sure it does.

For Ouendan probably not.

Hugo, it's not worth it. This guy you're arguing with is a massive sony fanboy and whatever he says will be to try and put the 3DS down a peg and make it seem like the PSP2 is the best thing EVAR. Can't we stop these petty arguments and just agree they're both going to be good?

ffs, console gamers.

I just don't get the viewpoint that 3D adds nothing substantial to games.

It makes no sense.

Its an immersive thing, it doesn't have to directly effect the gameplay in order to justify itself, its like any other display technology.

StayDead wrote:

HSH28 wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:

HSH28 wrote:3D is new and interesting.

More new and interesting than touch controls, 3G or compatibility with phones. Those things might be new to PSP, but they aren't anything like new in general.

A 3D screen on a portable device might not be unheard of before, but the 3DS will be the first mass market device in the west to have one.

So 3D adds more to gaming than touch controls?

lol k

Depends what kind of game you are playing.

In something like Uncharted? Sure it does.

For Ouendan probably not.

Hugo, it's not worth it. This guy you're arguing with is a massive sony fanboy and whatever he says will be to try and put the 3DS down a peg and make it seem like the PSP2 is the best thing EVAR. Can't we stop these petty arguments and just agree they're both going to be good?

ffs, console gamers.

Isn't this the guy who tried saying the 3DS was an update in the same vein as the DS Lite?

StayDead wrote:

HSH28 wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:

HSH28 wrote:3D is new and interesting.

More new and interesting than touch controls, 3G or compatibility with phones. Those things might be new to PSP, but they aren't anything like new in general.

A 3D screen on a portable device might not be unheard of before, but the 3DS will be the first mass market device in the west to have one.

So 3D adds more to gaming than touch controls?

lol k

Depends what kind of game you are playing.

In something like Uncharted? Sure it does.

For Ouendan probably not.

Hugo, it's not worth it. This guy you're arguing with is a massive sony fanboy and whatever he says will be to try and put the 3DS down a peg and make it seem like the PSP2 is the best thing EVAR. Can't we stop these petty arguments and just agree they're both going to be good?

ffs, console gamers.

What the hell, I don't think I've said one bad thing about 3DS one these forums.

What a serious f*cking waste of time that rant was!

HSH28 wrote:I just don't get the viewpoint that 3D adds nothing substantial to games.

It makes no sense.

Its an immersive thing, it doesn't have to directly effect the gameplay in order to justify itself, its like any other display technology.

I didn't say it added nothing, I said touch control adds more to gameplay than 3D.

Last time I checked 3DS did touch control.

If 3D added so much to games, you wouldn't be able to turn it off and still play the game in it's entirety. I can't wait to try it though, i'm sure it looks just as great as everyone is saying, it's really hard to judge without seeing it.

That touch sensor on the back of the PSP2 is interesting but won't it be a bit tricky for kids with small fingers to use, especially if trying to use the dpad and buttons at the same time, their fingers won't reach the middle of the pannel. I prefered the sliding mock up images that were doing the rounds.

If I was to go for a handheld devise then the NGP would be the one for me. The NGP Uncharted game looked like it could be from the PS3! Wary of all the touch and gyroscope nonsense though. The NDS looks great too, but in truth the only exclusive franchise that I really like from Nintendo are the 3D/2D platforming Mario games and i'm strawberry floating sick of 3D.

Alpha eX wrote:If 3D added so much to games, you wouldn't be able to turn it off and still play the game in it's entirety. I can't wait to try it though, i'm sure it looks just as great as everyone is saying, it's really hard to judge without seeing it.

Immersion. You can play the games without it, but they wouldn't be as immersive.

Alpha eX wrote:If 3D added so much to games, you wouldn't be able to turn it off and still play the game in it's entirety. I can't wait to try it though, i'm sure it looks just as great as everyone is saying, it's really hard to judge without seeing it.

That touch sensor on the back of the PSP2 is interesting but won't it be a bit tricky for kids with small fingers to use, especially if trying to use the dpad and buttons at the same time, their fingers won't reach the middle of the pannel. I prefered the sliding mock up images that were doing the rounds.

I'm thinking the price of PSP2 would mean this is not for kids

suzzopher wrote:

Alpha eX wrote:If 3D added so much to games, you wouldn't be able to turn it off and still play the game in it's entirety. I can't wait to try it though, i'm sure it looks just as great as everyone is saying, it's really hard to judge without seeing it.

That touch sensor on the back of the PSP2 is interesting but won't it be a bit tricky for kids with small fingers to use, especially if trying to use the dpad and buttons at the same time, their fingers won't reach the middle of the pannel. I prefered the sliding mock up images that were doing the rounds.

I'm thinking the price of PSP2 would mean this is not for kids

Kids have parents, parents have money. You really think no kids are going to own this console? It's a valid point.

Alpha eX wrote:

suzzopher wrote:

Alpha eX wrote:If 3D added so much to games, you wouldn't be able to turn it off and still play the game in it's entirety. I can't wait to try it though, i'm sure it looks just as great as everyone is saying, it's really hard to judge without seeing it.

That touch sensor on the back of the PSP2 is interesting but won't it be a bit tricky for kids with small fingers to use, especially if trying to use the dpad and buttons at the same time, their fingers won't reach the middle of the pannel. I prefered the sliding mock up images that were doing the rounds.

I'm thinking the price of PSP2 would mean this is not for kids

Kids have parents, parents have money. You really think no kids are going to own this console? It's a valid point.

Yeah, I was joking

suzzopher wrote:

Alpha eX wrote:

suzzopher wrote:

Alpha eX wrote:If 3D added so much to games, you wouldn't be able to turn it off and still play the game in it's entirety. I can't wait to try it though, i'm sure it looks just as great as everyone is saying, it's really hard to judge without seeing it.

That touch sensor on the back of the PSP2 is interesting but won't it be a bit tricky for kids with small fingers to use, especially if trying to use the dpad and buttons at the same time, their fingers won't reach the middle of the pannel. I prefered the sliding mock up images that were doing the rounds.

I'm thinking the price of PSP2 would mean this is not for kids

Kids have parents, parents have money. You really think no kids are going to own this console? It's a valid point.

Yeah, I was joking

Looks like that knock on his head has damaged his Sarcasm centre.

Something Fishy wrote:Jams right, it comes down entirely to which brand people prefer. Always has and always will.

People then come up with stuff to justify it but that's heart of it.

I love it when people agree with me.

Personally, from the little I know, both handhelds seem exciting. If the 3D is any good then the 3DS could be awesome.

The PSP2 again is a rather sexy little machine and it seems super-powerful. Dual analogue sticks could make all the difference.

Personally, I probably won't get either machine. Especially in the case of the PSP2, I would rather wait until I get home to play on my 40" screen with surround sound* etc.

*I don't actually have surround sound.

suzzopher wrote:

Alpha eX wrote:

suzzopher wrote:

Alpha eX wrote:If 3D added so much to games, you wouldn't be able to turn it off and still play the game in it's entirety. I can't wait to try it though, i'm sure it looks just as great as everyone is saying, it's really hard to judge without seeing it.

That touch sensor on the back of the PSP2 is interesting but won't it be a bit tricky for kids with small fingers to use, especially if trying to use the dpad and buttons at the same time, their fingers won't reach the middle of the pannel. I prefered the sliding mock up images that were doing the rounds.

I'm thinking the price of PSP2 would mean this is not for kids

Kids have parents, parents have money. You really think no kids are going to own this console? It's a valid point.

Yeah, I was joking

I couldn't tell if you were serious or not. I thought the 'joking' smiley was a

In reality, given enough money I'll end up getting both.

Anyone else really looking forward to both despite owning both a PSP and DS that get used about twice a year when going on holiday?

jamcc wrote:

Something Fishy wrote:Jams right, it comes down entirely to which brand people prefer. Always has and always will.

People then come up with stuff to justify it but that's heart of it.

I love it when people agree with me.

Personally, from the little I know, both handhelds seem exciting. If the 3D is any good then the 3DS could be awesome.

The PSP2 again is a rather sexy little machine and it seems super-powerful. Dual analogue sticks could make all the difference.

Personally, I probably won't get either machine. Especially in the case of the PSP2, I would rather wait until I get home to play on my 40" screen with surround sound* etc.

*I don't actually have surround sound.

If you are worried about watered down tech I assume you only game on high end PC's?

NickSCFC wrote:I didn't say it added nothing, I said touch control adds more to gameplay than 3D.

It depends what you mean by gameplay, I mean strictly speaking it offers nothing to gameplay...that doesn't mean it offers nothing.

And like I said, it really does depend on what type of game you are playing as to whats more important.

In something like Uncharted (or MGS3) a cinematic, immersive experience, 3D is obviously far more important than some touch control additions. In a different type of game it'd be different.

Alpha eX wrote:If 3D added so much to games, you wouldn't be able to turn it off and still play the game in it's entirety. I can't wait to try it though, i'm sure it looks just as great as everyone is saying, it's really hard to judge without seeing it.

I don't think that is the case. The slider is more to do with how the tech works and how its different for every different person and game you play. Just because you might not always want it on, doesn't mean its not important.

Also, every single person (ok discounting the one who can't see 3D at all) who I've seen comment on seeing the 3DS has mentioned how blown away by the 3D they were, I'm not worried about how good its going to look.