Nintendo's NX Console to be released in July 2016?

Surely if that were their strategy they'd have announced more Wii U stuff at E3 though?

Exactly.

This is going to be it's own thing. I just don't hope they come out with a shitty looking 2D Mario again :fp:

This all points to Zelda being day 1.

Floex wrote:I just don't hope they come out with a shitty looking 2D Mario again

To be fair, I don't think Super Mario Bros U was a bad looker... and the 2D Mario games have racked up huge sales compared to the recent 3D outings.

But, yeah, it'd be nice to see a couple of blockbusters that make keen gamers go "wow!".

1>3>4>2 wrote:Nintendo can go strawberry float themselves...

I was ~~Day One~~ Day Four in picking up the Wii U and I've never regretted it. Yeah, there are things I'd hoped to see and the third party support just hasn't been there, but when I look at the games that I've played and the fun that I've had, I feel it's been pretty decent value for money.

Things like online gaming being free (Kart, Smash, Splatoon) and the Miiverse stuff being free (it's not everyones cup of tea, but for me it's delivered way more interaction with my online pals than with other systems) have been great bonuses.

For me, there are no regrets. I still enjoy the system but I am excited about the possibility of the NX arriving next year.

Only Mario Kart and Wii Sports Resort sold more than New Super Mario Bros Wii so I assume that's why they went with it as a launch title.

Of course, the issue is, I can't imagine anyone who enjoyed the Wii version, outside of the hardcore fans, would see that as a reason to buy a new console alone.

more heat than light wrote:Surely if that were their strategy they'd have announced more Wii U stuff at E3 though?

With Nintendo only wanting to show off things that are nearly done, surely the Wii U content push would be next year?

Rog wrote:
Super Dragon 64 wrote:
more heat than light wrote:
Rog wrote:They should release it right there and then at E3 like the saturn.

Yeah, that worked really well for Sega.

That was 20 years ago with terrible planning. If any company tries that again, without learning from Sega's mistakes, it deserves to lose money.

I was ribbing on all the recent Nintendo going the way of Sega talk. Do you really think they could pull it off and have it be a surprise? All those consoles would have to be in stores before they've even announced what it is. Would leak for sure and dampen the big announcement.
Thinking more about it Nintendo do need to go hard with the hype and announcing the console is available next month right after its debut would create a frenzy. Having it finalised that early would help them too. They can give definite facts without any "please understand" nonsense. Only thing I can see going against them with this approach is having the games ready. This needs to fly out of the gate and will need heavy hitters accompanied by a decent variety of genres. They only have one year from now to make them appear. None of this launch window guff.

Nintendo managed to catch Europe by surprise with the New 3DS when it offered it to select Club Nintendo members. With a bit more planning, it could be possible to have a soft launch for customers who order directly from the Nintendo Store, and maybe certain retailers. It would definitely leak if a general launch was planned around E3 but a surprise, limited launch, could be feasible. Whether or not such a move would be in Nintendo's best interests is another matter.

jawafour wrote:
Floex wrote:*Looks at Wii-U sales*

No.

Don't under-estimate the power of Club U, Floex!. Myself, Dragon and TWA would be lining up to get one (Dragon would probably get two)... that's four sales RIGHT THERE! .

Club U will save the NX :toot:

I strawberry floating wouldn't. :lol:

jawafour wrote:
The Watching Artist wrote:(Wii mini)
A cheaper to produce price slashed last year or so?

Oh man, I hope not. I hate it when a cheap, poor-quality build version of a console is produced - i.e. Wii mini, PS3 "slimmest" and the last Xbox 360.

But the PS3 super-slim is by far the best PS3 model?

It's even top-loading

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I remember during E3 2015 some website published a very telling interview with Miyamoto who said they were looking into a home/mobile hybrid. I've been observing Nintendo since I bought an N64 and would have to wait months for a decent game to come out. Their strength and weakness is that they have repeatedly said they see themselves as different market from the competition. They make some fantastically unique games but they have also used this a rod on their back which has made their consoles more and more niche because they do not offer an alternative range of content. Why should making their trademark Nintendo games have to mean they exclude other content?

Leaving console speculative specs aside here is my armchair CEO solution for what Nintendo have to do!

1) Make the console powerful enough to run the latest games. It doesn't have to beat the PS4 or even XBO spec but it should be able to run all the latest 3rd-party games including Elder Scrolls VI and the newest Call of Duty. Or at least a good conversion. Without the ability to run 3rd party games it will languish like the Wii U as a niche machine and only play first-party Nintendo games

2) Genuinely Support third-party publishers with conversion support and promotion. Make this a pillar of their business model as without third-party the platform will wilt and die.

3) Bring their online service to the modern age. Full featured online support and multiplayer including online chat during games. Sure they have concerns about child safety but tech has move forward so much that kids can access online chat through the proliferation of computers, smartphones and tablets. To not offer this is just burying their head in the sand.

Just my two pence worth!

There's no point doing a Wii U style reveal and then making the public wait over 16 months to buy it. I'd love to see a full live Nintendo E3 conference in 2016 with the NX console receiving a release in Summer or Autumn!

Venom wrote:I
Just my two pence worth!
There's no point doing a Wii U style reveal and then making the public wait over 16 months to buy it. I'd love to see a full live Nintendo E3 conference in 2016 with the NX console receiving a release in Summer or Autumn!

Oh God I've just remembered how bad the Wii U reveal was.
"Here's a weird controller"
*Looks of confusion*
"Wii U available Nov 2012"
*Still confusion*

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I'm all agog to see how Nintendo elects to present NX when the time rolls around for a reveal.

I hope I never forget the early excitement for the Gamecube in the wake of the Spaceworld 2000 reveal--from the extravagant pomp and ceremony involved in unveiling the machine itself, right through to the gleaming expo of tech-demos, with Wave Race, Metroid and Zelda amongst their number. I think that, to me, the excess and the glam of the unveiling felt like fitting decorum for a machine that looked like it was bidding to do all the right things; a cultish celebration for Nintendo's combatant in the console war, perhaps.

I wonder what my feelings will be when the NX first appears, and what I'll think of the manner in which the console is exhibited--and whatever I'll think implied by that manner.

I have a feeling I'm going to get this at launch unless it's severely underpowered.

I know a few of you are not bothered but what sort of level are people expecting.
Xbox one parity or quite a bit less?

Some commentary I've seen suggests that if the article really does have a point about Nintendo aiming for 20 million machines to be shipped, then horsepower may be below XBOX One. The argument would be that an aspiration for 20 million machines is a challenging one without the thing being inexpensive; and an inexpensive machine might imply a less powerful one.

All told, I wouldn't have the foggiest idea about how best to approach an analysis of the present situation. I would suppose that my current position would be to forgo analysis and to wait it out--to just see how how things develop. I sometimes feel that trying to read ahead with Nintendo is like trying to read tea leaves, but that would only be my opinion.

I'd certainly be eager for a very powerful console, but maybe that's because I grew up with the Nintendo 64, which was touted as being the strongest of its contemporaries and so--despite its cartridge anachronism--I sort of grew to like that idea of cutting edge machines as a result. Like lawnmowers, and circular saws.

The thing is, what could they do with all that extra power?
It's clear that the Wii U's capabilities are sufficient for Nintendo to develop the games that they want to make.

The cost of developing and producing a more advanced console wouldn't be offset by the return they'd make due to improvements in the quality of their own games made possible by the increase in console power.
So what would offset that cost? Well, they'd essentially be paying out to make their machine sufficiently powerful so as to develop and run the games that anyone wants to make - any prospective developers, particularly those with big IP.

And so this is what the decision comes down to - if Nintendo do make a machine technologically capable enough of running the games third parties develop, will they get those third parties on board, or will they remain ignored anyway?

In the N64 era Nintendo's console was the most powerful - and yet everyone developed for the PlayStation instead because it was easier and cheaper.
So they made the Gamecube easy and cheap(er) to develop for, but still as powerful as the Xbox (not quite, to be fair, but not so far off as to deter third parties) and more powerful than the PS2. But the major third party games, such as GTA, still passed the GC by, because it wasn't seen as worthwhile to release on compared to the behemoth that was the PS2.
So they made the Wii as adoptable and popular as the PS2. And then developers didn't make games for the Wii because it wasn't powerful enough.

You can imagine they might be frustrated that many third parties simply don't want to develop games for Nintendo hardware because of a) perception of Nintendo and b) an unwillingness to compete with Nintendo's own software.
Would they really be willing to shell out a huge amount on hardware to achieve parity, either at their own cost (if they keep their own machines reasonably priced) or by risking sales (due to increased cost of their hardware compared to previous generations), in order to attract developers that might not bother anyway?
I can't see it.

I doubt you will find anyone expecting Nintendo to push the limits of technology and produce a $600 monster console but I don't think it would push the engineers at Nintendo at all to make something on par with what's already available especially given that the PC folk on here weren't particularly impressed even with the PS4.

I have a feeling they can manage to make games for a console on par with the ps4 without collapsing due to exhaustion and the extra power can make new possibilities available.

Maybe all they need to do is have something with xbox one parity but maybe 12 gig ram so they can keep 4gb back for the new trend of hugely bloated console operating system and have the full 8gb for games that would make me buy it at launch and not cost much at all.

Low cost, "underpowered", reclaim the mid-tier and budget market that has all-but disappeared in recent years. Less grunt also means less spent on developing the games, which in turn means that they can be sold at lower cost. We've already seen this with several Nintendo titles on WiiU. The ~£30 new game market is basically non-existent, but with PS4 and X1 titles now hitting £60 on release, I think there is an opening there, especially in the younger and more casual market. Why spend £350 on a new console with each game costing you £60 when you could instead opt for a £180 alternative with £30 games?

Not saying I think that will happen, but it's a possibility. The gap between 69p mobile games and £60 AAA console titles is really quite huge and there has to be a middle ground somewhere.

Peter, the console you're proposing will not be under £200. That need a low price to get back on the market.

OrangeRakoon wrote:...The gap between 69p mobile games and £60 AAA console titles is really quite huge and there has to be a middle ground somewhere.

I believe we're thinking along the same lines, 'Rakoon! I think there is an opening in that middle ground... albeit one that perhaps discounts multi-platform titles (as publishers wouldn't charge vastly differing prices for differing formats).

Floex wrote:Peter, the console you're proposing will not be under £200. That need a low price to get back on the market.

I admit maybe I'm not a core Nintendo target audience but I think they could make the console I suggested pretty cheaply so not much above £200.
All the hard design work for the hardware has been done and parity is not hard to achieve.

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