North Korea Fire Missle over Nothern Japan

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by Squinty » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:20 pm

Some other twat will probably just take his place.

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by Lagamorph » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:41 pm

The problem with removing him is less Kim Jong Un himself and more the general "Cult of Kim". I'm sure plenty of elements in the NK military would like to get rid of Kim, but it's the utter devotion the population have to the family that keeps them in line and from outright revolting isn't it? Without a Kim at the helm it'd probably be very difficult to keep the population in line, at least without throwing an utter fortune at relief efforts for food, medicine and infrastructure.

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PostRe: North Korea Fire Missle over Nothern Japan
by KK » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:49 pm

Saddam, Gaddafi...in hindsight they were better off being kept in place.

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by Lagamorph » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:51 pm

Saddam and Gadaffi were probably a lot easier to control/influence as well.

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PostRe: North Korea Fire Missle over Nothern Japan
by Lucien » Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:14 pm

KK wrote:Saddam, Gaddafi...in hindsight they were better off being kept in place.


I really don't think so. The less dictatorships the better.

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by Preezy » Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:54 pm

I wonder if the people living in Libya and Iraq preferred living under those (admittedly brutal and oppressive) regimes than living in the civil war hellscapes they currently are.

Would make an interesting survey.

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PostRe: North Korea Fire Missle over Nothern Japan
by Parksey » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:44 pm

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Parksey wrote:One solution which someone must surely have thought of, is why don't America basically say they'll withdraw from the entire peninsula if the area's unified in the South's favour?

That would require a dictator willingly giving up their power. Has that ever happened in the history of the world?


*cue loads of examples that I hadn't thought of being thrown at stupid-me :shifty:


I meant agreeing with China that post-Kim the Americans would give up all military operations on the Korean Peninsula. The South Koreans wouldn't like it, presumably fearing them one day China might just invade them outright, but it might convince the Chinese to turn the screws. Right now they'd rather have a rogue state threatening their closet rival with period insanity, considering that NK generally leave them well alone.

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PostRe: North Korea Fire Missle over Nothern Japan
by Squinty » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:45 pm

Lagamorph wrote:The problem with removing him is less Kim Jong Un himself and more the general "Cult of Kim". I'm sure plenty of elements in the NK military would like to get rid of Kim, but it's the utter devotion the population have to the family that keeps them in line and from outright revolting isn't it? Without a Kim at the helm it'd probably be very difficult to keep the population in line, at least without throwing an utter fortune at relief efforts for food, medicine and infrastructure.


Actually, I've seen things online that suggest that people in the extremely poor parts of the country are starting to look beyond the cult of personality. Namely because they are struggling to eek out a living and they are becoming restless. Some of the smuggled footage I've seen of people living in those areas is crazy.

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PostRe: North Korea Fire Missle over Nothern Japan
by BID0 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:35 am

How the nuclear-armed nations brought the North Korea crisis on themselves
North Korea’s defiant pursuit of nuclear weapons capabilities, dramatised by last weekend’s powerful underground test and a recent long-range ballistic missile launch over Japan, has been almost universally condemned as posing a grave, unilateral threat to international peace and security.

The growing North Korean menace also reflects the chronic failure of multilateral counter-proliferation efforts and, in particular, the longstanding refusal of acknowledged nuclear-armed states such as the US and Britain to honour a legal commitment to reduce and eventually eliminate their arsenals.

In other words, the past and present leaders of the US, Russia, China, France and the UK, whose governments signed but have not fulfilled the terms of the 1970 nuclear non-proliferation treaty (NPT), have to some degree brought the North Korea crisis on themselves. Kim Jong-un’s recklessness and bad faith is a product of their own.

The NPT, signed by 191 countries, is probably the most successful arms control treaty ever. When conceived in 1968, at the height of the cold war, the mass proliferation of nuclear weapons was considered a real possibility. Since its inception and prior to North Korea, only India, Pakistan and Israel are known to have joined the nuclear “club” in almost half a century.

To work fully, the NPT relies on keeping a crucial bargain: non-nuclear-armed states agree never to acquire the weapons, while nuclear-armed states agree to share the benefits of peaceful nuclear technology and pursue nuclear disarmament with the ultimate aim of eliminating them. This, in effect, was the guarantee offered to vulnerable, insecure outlier states such as North Korea. The guarantee was a dud, however, and the bargain has never been truly honoured.

Rather than reducing their nuclear arsenals, the US, Russia and China have modernised and expanded them. Britain has eliminated some of its capability, but it is nevertheless renewing and updating Trident. France clings fiercely to its “force de frappe”. Altogether, the main nuclear-weapon states have an estimated 22,000 nuclear bombs. A report by the non-governmental British-American Security Information Council in May said nuclear security was getting worse.

“The need for nuclear disarmament through multilateral diplomacy is greater now than it has been at any stage since the end of the cold war. Trust and confidence in the existing nuclear non-proliferation regime is fraying, tensions are high, goals are misaligned and dialogue is irregular,” the report said.

“Internationally, relationships between the nuclear-weapon states have deteriorated, in particular between the US and Russia, and to some extent, China … All nuclear-armed states are modernising their nuclear forces, at a worldwide cost of $1tn per decade… Attention tends to be focused on specific cases of proliferation concern, such as North Korea and Iran, at the expense of the bigger picture.”


Multilateral forums for advancing nuclear disarmament are in crisis. The next NPT review conference is not due until 2020. Like its 2015 predecessor, it is not expected to achieve much. The UN-backed conference on disarmament, which helped produce conventions banning biological and chemical weapons and initiated the 1996 comprehensive test ban treaty, is politically polarised and struggling to agree key measures such as a fissile material cut-off treaty.

Meanwhile, as South Korea and Japan consider acquiring nuclear weapons, Donald Trump appears irrationally determined to scrap one of the few recent arms control successes – the landmark 2015 nuclear deal with Iran.

There has been one big breakthrough this year, the under-reported adoption by 122 countries at the UN in July of a new treaty on the prohibition of nuclear weapons, which envisages an outright ban on the use of all nukes. It has, however, been potentially fatally undermined by a boycott by the nuclear powers. The US, Britain and France declared, cynically as critics saw it, that they preferred to stick with the never-ending NPT route to disarmament. “This initiative clearly disregards the realities of the international security environment,” they said in a joint statement.

The ineffectiveness of current arms control and counter-proliferation efforts has helped to create an environment in which North Korea, allegedly using smuggled, Russian-designed ballistic missile engines, is rapidly advancing its nuclear ambitions with apparent impunity, at great risk to international stability.

Multilateral arms control failures also mean the Korean “solution” Trump talks about with increasing frequency – the use of preventive military action, notwithstanding its illegality under international law – could, if applied, spell the end of deterrence and the beginning of an unchecked global nuclear arms race.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... themselves

The money in nuclear weapons is just astonishing

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PostRe: North Korea Fire Missle over Nothern Japan
by Preezy » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:56 am

Parksey wrote:
Preezy wrote:
Parksey wrote:One solution which someone must surely have thought of, is why don't America basically say they'll withdraw from the entire peninsula if the area's unified in the South's favour?

That would require a dictator willingly giving up their power. Has that ever happened in the history of the world?


*cue loads of examples that I hadn't thought of being thrown at stupid-me :shifty:


I meant agreeing with China that post-Kim the Americans would give up all military operations on the Korean Peninsula. The South Koreans wouldn't like it, presumably fearing them one day China might just invade them outright, but it might convince the Chinese to turn the screws. Right now they'd rather have a rogue state threatening their closet rival with period insanity, considering that NK generally leave them well alone.

Ah I see, well yeah I'd agree with that.

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PostRe: North Korea Fire Missle over Nothern Japan
by Squinty » Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:46 pm

There's a strong belief in SK that there's going to be another launch on 9/9/17.

Also seen on GAF that there are people protesting against the installation of more of those defensive launchers. WTF man.

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by Met » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:03 pm

Squinty wrote:Also seen on GAF that there are people protesting against the installation of more of those defensive launchers. WTF man.


Hey man, it's NK's right to nuke the US if they want, who are we to say they can't?

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PostRe: North Korea Fire Missle over Nothern Japan
by NickSCFC » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:08 pm

KK wrote:Saddam, Gaddafi...in hindsight they were better off being kept in place.


If only they had nukes.

Naming North Korea in the "axis of evil" along with Iraq then proceeding to bomb the gooseberry fool out of Iraq wasn't the best idea.

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PostRe: North Korea Fire Missle over Nothern Japan
by KK » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:54 pm

According to the Telegraph tomorrow, sources within government believe that NK may have had help in the speed of progress they've had with these bombs, either from Russia or Iran.

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by Lagamorph » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:59 pm

KK wrote:According to the Telegraph tomorrow, sources within government believe that NK may have had help in the speed of progress they've had with these bombs, either from Russia or Iran.

I could see it, but it's a dangerous game to play. Kim doesn't exactly seem the type to keep his mouth shut.

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PostRe: North Korea Fire Missle over Nothern Japan
by Tomous » Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:14 am

Lagamorph wrote:
KK wrote:According to the Telegraph tomorrow, sources within government believe that NK may have had help in the speed of progress they've had with these bombs, either from Russia or Iran.

I could see it, but it's a dangerous game to play. Kim doesn't exactly seem the type to keep his mouth shut.


Surely the Russians wouldn't be doing that? That would just be mental

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PostRe: North Korea Fire Missle over Nothern Japan
by Squinty » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:07 am

More likely to be Iran.

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by lex-man » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:22 am

I don't know I could see Russia doing it. They are one of the few countries to invest in North Korea.

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PostRe: North Korea Fire Missle over Nothern Japan
by Return_of_the_STAR » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:15 am

He's at it again

North Korea 'fires missile from Pyongyang'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41275614

Interestingly this one was fired from Pyongyang, and again over the top of Japan. Only hours after saying that they were going to wipe Japan from the face of the earth.

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PostRe: North Korea Fire Missle over Nothern Japan
by Lucien » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:33 am

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:He's at it again

North Korea 'fires missile from Pyongyang'


They can fire as many as they want. A missile could literally hit the Japanese Prime Minister and nobody would do gooseberry fool.


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