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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by Harry Bizzle » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:12 pm

HSH28 wrote:
Herbi wrote:Well if they couldn't have got anything ready I dont think they should have shown it.


Thats just naive.

They had to show it now, its normal to show off a system at E3 way before theres real software ready for it.


Since when does that make it the sensible or right thing to do?


I don't think that crap cuts it anymore, and I think from the general reaction, most people aren't all that impressed either.

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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by Born Stellar » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:46 pm

I'm just concerned by how it's launching next year and we've seen nothing substantial.

Pikmin 3 and some ports it'd seem.

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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by Qikz » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:52 pm

They were almost forced to show it. What have gamers and the press been saying this past year?

WAH WAH NTOHINGS COMING TO WII

now we know why.

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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by HSH28 » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:52 pm

We didn't see Pikmin 3 actually.

Its not practical not to announce a new console before its ready, and no I don't think its sensible not to show anything either.

They have to get the brand and idea behind the new console out there and start getting people interested as soon as they possibly can. If that means showing the hardware without any real games then thats what it means. The idea is the more important thing at this stage.

Complaining that they didn't show us games just comes from a place of greed. You want to see it all and you want to see it now. Thats not how the real world works.

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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by Born Stellar » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:13 pm

HSH28 wrote:We didn't see Pikmin 3 actually.

Its not practical not to announce a new console before its ready, and no I don't think its sensible not to show anything either.

They have to get the brand and idea behind the new console out there and start getting people interested as soon as they possibly can. If that means showing the hardware without any real games then thats what it means. The idea is the more important thing at this stage.

Complaining that they didn't show us games just comes from a place of greed. You want to see it all and you want to see it now. Thats not how the real world works.


No, but it's been in development for three years so it's likely nearly finished.

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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by Neph » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:16 pm

This may be the first time since the N64 that i wont get a Nintendo Console on day 1 just so under whelmed by the machine.

Just so, so disappointed by it. I don't understand why people don't see it its barely a new console Its a new controller, they want us to continue to use Wii motes and nunchucks along with this new controller.

If what Nintendo reps are saying that the Wii U Controller will NOT be sold separately and you can only have 1 per console really disappointed by that. I mean do they seriously expect multiplayer games to be 1 Wii U and the rest wii motes? seriously? nintendo has always been about local multiplayer and all this 1 controller is really not what i want to hear.

Especially with Nintendo's track record for on line capabilities. Really i think they may struggle with this, really need to do something decent to get me excited otheriwse I don't think i will be purchasing it.

And news on backwards compatibility with Gamecube games? i assume not now the gamecube controllers cant be used? Also 8gb internal flash seriously? they couldn't put a 80gb or 160 GB hard drive in? Is it that hard?

The rest of the spec seems fine but why do we have to rely on External hard drives, i know MCN will be in here defending gooseberry fool but i can buy a retail sata hard drive £25 for 160GB i would EASILY pay that for it to be inside the Wii U.

Its so backwards still for a company pushing other tech like motion why no drive how are we going to download constant updates from developers Cod Blops map packs are 1GB each so after 2 packs i lose 1/4 of internal storage? Ugh

It just feels like a stop gap they don't want people to move on they want them to keep everything with the Wii and just carry on using it is Wii HD that is it really. i don't understand the euphoria over this screen. When by the sounds of things 4 friends 1 person can have the screen, fantastic.

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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by HSH28 » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:40 pm

Neph wrote:If what Nintendo reps are saying that the Wii U Controller will NOT be sold separately and you can only have 1 per console really disappointed by that. I mean do they seriously expect multiplayer games to be 1 Wii U and the rest wii motes? seriously? nintendo has always been about local multiplayer and all this 1 controller is really not what i want to hear.


I just thought I'd single out this as it seems to be the main thing that you are angry about.

Its something Nintendo have toyed with in the past, the idea of multiplayer games where people have different views or even types of gameplay while playing together.

This is not a bad thing. Its not 1 person getting a 'better' experience than the others, its something that should allow for local MP gaming in a way we've never really had properly explored before.

If you are a fan of local MP, then you should be really excited about this. Its the opposite of what you seem to be thinking, this is something that will expand the importance of local MP, not diminish it.

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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by Gideon » Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:07 am

HSH28 wrote:
Neph wrote:If what Nintendo reps are saying that the Wii U Controller will NOT be sold separately and you can only have 1 per console really disappointed by that. I mean do they seriously expect multiplayer games to be 1 Wii U and the rest wii motes? seriously? nintendo has always been about local multiplayer and all this 1 controller is really not what i want to hear.


I just thought I'd single out this as it seems to be the main thing that you are angry about.

Its something Nintendo have toyed with in the past, the idea of multiplayer games where people have different views or even types of gameplay while playing together.

This is not a bad thing. Its not 1 person getting a 'better' experience than the others, its something that should allow for local MP gaming in a way we've never really had properly explored before.

If you are a fan of local MP, then you should be really excited about this. Its the opposite of what you seem to be thinking, this is something that will expand the importance of local MP, not diminish it.


Nicely said.

With one screenpad for local multiplayer it offers developers the chance to give one player some kind of different role to play. It instantly put me in mind of a Dungeon Master from D&D, someone with secret information who can radically change the flow of a game.

The negativity around it only supporting one of these controllers locally is quite surprising to me, not just because suddenly a hell of a lot of people seem to magically give a gooseberry fool about local multiplayer again, but because in the absolute worst case scenario it'll still support 4 wii remotes/classic pads (and presumably gamecube pads if it's backwards compatible).

Edit: Two player games in particular could be amazing. They could really elaborate on things like Perfect Dark's counter ops mode, where one player plays through a single-player campaign while the second player controls the enemy troops. Give me a 24 game where one player plays as Jack Bauer on the TV while the player with the new controller gets to be Chloe (ha!), using the screen to send information on enemy placements, search satellite images for safe routes, investigation and what have you.

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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by Henke » Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:53 am

Are there any people actually surprised by anything shown at the press conference? I've been relatively out of the gaming press loop recently, but the showing of Wii U ticked every box I expected it to: HD? Check. A big strawberry floating screen on the controller? Check. A follow up to the Wii? Check. Talking up third party support and their hardcore audience? Check.
I reckon that if the Wii Sports section was removed from the video, it was called Gamecube 2 and the Wii remote was never shown it wouldn't have been a disappointment.

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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by Mafro » Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:00 am

Henke wrote:Are there any people actually surprised by anything shown at the press conference?

John Riccitiello being at their conference was pretty huge. Having the CEO of the biggest publishers in the world is hopefully a sign that they're not messing about when it comes to third parties this time.

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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by mokeyjoe » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:13 am

Gideon wrote:
HSH28 wrote:
Neph wrote:If what Nintendo reps are saying that the Wii U Controller will NOT be sold separately and you can only have 1 per console really disappointed by that. I mean do they seriously expect multiplayer games to be 1 Wii U and the rest wii motes? seriously? nintendo has always been about local multiplayer and all this 1 controller is really not what i want to hear.


I just thought I'd single out this as it seems to be the main thing that you are angry about.

Its something Nintendo have toyed with in the past, the idea of multiplayer games where people have different views or even types of gameplay while playing together.

This is not a bad thing. Its not 1 person getting a 'better' experience than the others, its something that should allow for local MP gaming in a way we've never really had properly explored before.

If you are a fan of local MP, then you should be really excited about this. Its the opposite of what you seem to be thinking, this is something that will expand the importance of local MP, not diminish it.


Nicely said.

With one screenpad for local multiplayer it offers developers the chance to give one player some kind of different role to play. It instantly put me in mind of a Dungeon Master from D&D, someone with secret information who can radically change the flow of a game.

The negativity around it only supporting one of these controllers locally is quite surprising to me, not just because suddenly a hell of a lot of people seem to magically give a gooseberry fool about local multiplayer again, but because in the absolute worst case scenario it'll still support 4 wii remotes/classic pads (and presumably gamecube pads if it's backwards compatible).

Edit: Two player games in particular could be amazing. They could really elaborate on things like Perfect Dark's counter ops mode, where one player plays through a single-player campaign while the second player controls the enemy troops. Give me a 24 game where one player plays as Jack Bauer on the TV while the player with the new controller gets to be Chloe (ha!), using the screen to send information on enemy placements, search satellite images for safe routes, investigation and what have you.


Ah, so it's a feature.

Seriously though, if the console has to render everything and then stream it to the controller it's not that surprising it can't support multiple units.

As for 'magically caring about local multi'? Seriously? It's one of the main reasons I get a console.

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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by Gideon » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:03 am

mokeyjoe wrote:As for 'magically caring about local multi'? Seriously? It's one of the main reasons I get a console.


Likewise, but I don't believe for a second the majority of people bitching about it only supporting one pad have even attempted local multiplayer in the last five years.

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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by Darren_z33 » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:03 am

Gideon wrote:Edit: Two player games in particular could be amazing. They could really elaborate on things like Perfect Dark's counter ops mode, where one player plays through a single-player campaign while the second player controls the enemy troops. Give me a 24 game where one player plays as Jack Bauer on the TV while the player with the new controller gets to be Chloe (ha!), using the screen to send information on enemy placements, search satellite images for safe routes, investigation and what have you.



From the IGN Nintendo Third Party Roundtable event

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6:59

Audrey Drake:
Interesting multi-player component.
Wednesday June 8, 2011 6:59 Audrey Drake
6:59

Rich-IGN:
So he touches different commands to summon creatures - they then appear on the TV.
Wednesday June 8, 2011 6:59 Rich-IGN
6:59

Audrey Drake:
You can summon and place freaks as the alien commander.
Wednesday June 8, 2011 6:59 Audrey Drake
6:59

Rich-IGN:
The tablet guy has a top-down view of the map. He's an alien commander. He tries to destroy the other player.

Interesting note: all the games we've seen so far for Wii U, except Ghost Recon, have only required one of the new controllers. A clever way to save people some money and not waste the old tech.
Wednesday June 8, 2011 6:57 Audrey Drake
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Rich-IGN:
So. One guy will be using the tablet for his screen, the other guy is using the TV. This is being played on one system, btw.
Wednesday June 8, 2011 6:57 Rich-IGN
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Rich-IGN:
Okay so they are doing 1 v 1. One is using the tablet, the other is using a Classic Controller Pro.

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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by Gideon » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:07 am

Yep, just noticed that, posted it in the other thread :D

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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by Born Stellar » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:38 am

Local multiplayer will be no different that it was for other systems except one person gets a better controller.

That's a GOOD compromise.

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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by HSH28 » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:01 am

Born Stellar wrote:Local multiplayer will be no different that it was for other systems except one person gets a better controller.

That's a GOOD compromise.


Thats exactly what isn't happening, what they want is to give each player a different experience. This is definitelt different from MP on other systems.

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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by RamSteelwood » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:49 am

HSH28 wrote:
Born Stellar wrote:Local multiplayer will be no different that it was for other systems except one person gets a better controller.

That's a GOOD compromise.


Thats exactly what isn't happening, what they want is to give each player a different experience. This is definitelt different from MP on other systems.


actually, it's that AND the option for everyone to play with the same 'standard' controller if appropriate. ie, if you're playing mutliplayer fifa, you both just use a classic pad or wiimotes or whatever tickles your fancy...it doesn't HAVE to be that one person gets a good controller and everyone else suffers. but, as HSH mentions, the option is there for a DIFFERENT multiplayer experience, where players are in the same game but playing in different ways...

as for the hardware spec, I think Nintendo might be playing it clever by not being noticabley more powerful than 360/PS3 (at least for now!)....I think if Nintendo had shown up the other consoles, Microsoft and Sony would have responded with announcements of their own even more superior hardware before WiiU is even out in order to steal it's thunder. Doing it this way will hopefully encourage MS and Sony not to rush out the 'next gen', and let the competition be around software and features rather than pure graphical 'grunt'...and if just before launch Nintendo sneakily turn up the dial on their hardware so that there is a bit of a gap, it might just catch Sony and MS out and give themselves a bigger window before their next consoles come out!

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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by mas22 » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:00 am

Gideon wrote:The negativity around it only supporting one of these controllers locally is quite surprising to me, not just because suddenly a hell of a lot of people seem to magically give a gooseberry fool about local multiplayer again, but because in the absolute worst case scenario it'll still support 4 wii remotes/classic pads (and presumably gamecube pads if it's backwards compatible).



Most of the big hitters of this current generation are predominantly single player games, half of which have some online elements.
However I can't help but feel disappointed it's a shame that it does not support that feature (if at all confirmed) it's supposed to be a next gen console you would almost expect it to stream content and interface with four of those new controllers, the new console not even out yet and it's already exposed hardware incapability, but we all know Nintendo's very frugal when it comes to development costs so it should not come as a major surprise. And this appear hypocritical (as it seems they're trying to target core gamers with their new console) but decent local multiplayer has always played a major element with the Wii and Nintendo's philosophy in general. I could imagine local multiplayer mario-kart, the second screen can be used for the map, rear view mirror and power ups, and other in game applications like local multiplayer for a RTS (like that ruse demo on the Microsoft surface), as well as footy and other types of sports games. Ah well, hope that they'll be a great online service.

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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by Rik » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:08 am

Lets get this straight, all Gamecube compatability both hardware and software is gone from what i've read.

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PostRe: Official Nintendo E3 Conference Thread - Wii U Revealed.
by Henke » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:26 am

Mafro wrote:
Henke wrote:Are there any people actually surprised by anything shown at the press conference?

John Riccitiello being at their conference was pretty huge. Having the CEO of the biggest publishers in the world is hopefully a sign that they're not messing about when it comes to third parties this time.


Sure, but how is that a negative thing? Some peeps need to realise they have unrealistic expectations that post-Wii/DS Nintendo will never meet.

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