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Knoyleo wrote:Gravity and momentum?

I'm not sure I'd call them a theory.

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Mafro wrote:
Brerlappin wrote:And its cardinal sin, is that it thinks its the cleverest, smartest, swinging dick in videogames but its C-Tier "infinite timelines" garbage. The infinite timeline plot in Community, a strawberry floating sitcom, was better than BI

I think that's one of the main reasons it got the scores it did. Reviewers thinking it was some sort of high-concept, pinnacle of the genre that made them feel smart.

Nonsense like this

At the time people on her were moaning that they needed a PHD in physics to understand the story. There was more too it than just "infinite timelines".

"Art"

Hime wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:Gravity and momentum?

I'm not sure I'd call them a theory.

Space bending portal guns?

Portal was definitely a better "physics" game than infinite was.

Knoyleo wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbtcM_xO0Dk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnJUMgfuC3s

"Art"

Aye, at Tate Modern.

Saint of Killers wrote:
Knoyleo wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbtcM_xO0Dk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnJUMgfuC3s

"Art"

Aye, at Tate Modern.

Please don't belittle the Tate Modern like that.

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Knoyleo wrote:
Hime wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:Gravity and momentum?

I'm not sure I'd call them a theory.

Space bending portal guns?

Portal was definitely a better "physics" game than infinite was.

I think you've misunderstood, I'm talking about the story, not the gameplay.

Hime wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Hime wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:Gravity and momentum?

I'm not sure I'd call them a theory.

Space bending portal guns?

Portal was definitely a better "physics" game than infinite was.

I think you've misunderstood, I'm talking about the story, not the gameplay.

I guess I wouldn't really consider a game about time travel/universe hopping to be a physics game, more sci-fi, at least in the way Bioshock Infinite handles it. It's not like the game actually tried to examine the mechanics of multiple universes existing, it just kind of said they did, so now you can summon in a robot from another time to shoot people. Oh, and murder yourself. But this is semantics, really.

I don't think it's a bad thing that the game tried to use multiple universe theory as part of it. That's ambitious, and deserves to be recognised. Unfortunately, the plot was pretty cluttered, and the earlier elements of religious authoritarianism and racism were topics I'd like to see tackle just as much. Perhaps they could have better served any plot device better if they'd given it more focus. As others have pointed out, the real in depth nitty-gritty of the multiple Bookers and Comstocks isn't fully addressed, and the whole timelines thing feels a bit weak come the end of it.

A coherent plot set about multiple timelines is ambitious, but games have to be judged on their final execution of it, and I don't know if Infinite really did the best job it possibly could have in exploring that theory. It's used to introduce some game mechanics, and force a change in setting, then the actual explanation is offered up in a rushed manner right at the end, just as a means to tie up the story. I don't think the other aspects of the story were executed well either, but considering which side could have been better executed if the game hadn't tried to clutter itself up with two pretty heavy subject matters, the exploration of authoritarianism and racism is something I think would have been done much better. Time travel, probably not so much.

Unrelated to current discussion, but I found this when looking at Infinite videos earlier.

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PlayStation Blog wrote:BioShock: The Collection is a big package — so big, in fact, that it spans two Blu-ray discs.

Blimey. Is this the first PS4 release that will come on two discs?

jawafour wrote:
PlayStation Blog wrote:BioShock: The Collection is a big package — so big, in fact, that it spans two Blu-ray discs.

Blimey. Is this the first PS4 release that will come on two discs?

I pre-downloaded this yesterday, It came to 65gb....16.5gb a piece for Bioshock 1 and 2 and 32gb for Infinite. Whats size can a blu ray take?

Photek wrote:I pre-downloaded this yesterday, It came to 65gb....16.5gb a piece for Bioshock 1 and 2 and 32gb for Infinite. Whats size can a blu ray take?

A Blu-ray disc can hold up to 50Gb. I'm surprised - and pleased - that they're going for the dual-disc approach rather than a download.

jawafour wrote:
Photek wrote:I pre-downloaded this yesterday, It came to 65gb....16.5gb a piece for Bioshock 1 and 2 and 32gb for Infinite. Whats size can a blu ray take?

A Blu-ray disc can hold up to 50Gb. I'm surprised - and pleased - that they're going for the dual-disc approach rather than a download.

I buy exclusively digitally so it doesn't really matter to me. I thought it would have some sort of unified UI in which you could pick your game from a menu ala The Orange Box but that doesn't seem to be the case as each game has its own tile (on X1).

Photek wrote:...I thought it would have some sort of unified UI in which you could pick your game from a menu ala The Orange Box but that doesn't seem to be the case as each game has its own tile (on X1).

I wonder if 2K is planning to release each game individually at some point in the digital stores?

jawafour wrote:
Photek wrote:...I thought it would have some sort of unified UI in which you could pick your game from a menu ala The Orange Box but that doesn't seem to be the case as each game has its own tile (on X1).

I wonder if 2K is planning to release each game individually at some point in the digital stores?

Certainly looks that way, having said that, I can't wait to go through them all again, the developer commentary should be excellent for second play through's. I'll prob Play Bioshock 1 then Infinite followed by the Infinite DLC then 2... only cos 1 and Infinite are linked and 2 is an outlier narrative wise. I'm heartened by the size also, Bioshock 1 and 2 were about 4.5gb a piece originally and now they are nearly 4 times that, Infinite was larger I think but is even bigger again.

Yep, I'm looking forward to this, Photek. I got maybe halfway through Infinite on the 360 and would love to play that again; I barely got into the original Bioshock because I got too scared :fp:

. So, yeah, I think this will be a great collection!

I'm a total scaredy cat when it comes to games but I never found any Bioshock game frightening and I got scared playing Dead Rising 3 on occasion! :lol:

Can you remember a particular thing that made you scared or was it just the whole thing? The Little Sisters, The splicers and the Big Daddy's never scared me. If the big daddy's DID scare you, you might be terrified of the Big Sister in Bioshock 2.

As I've said before, the last couple of hours of Infinite the frame rate was DIRE so I hope that's fixed, Infinite's opening rivals the Original imo, and I hope you get to finish Infinite Jawa, the ending is among the best endings I've ever witnessed in a game.

I loved the opening of Bioshock - it was the first game that I played on my new 360 and those water-and-fire effects were superb - but I got creeped out by the eeriness of the game. The styling was sensational... but I found the atmosphere to be so creepy!

I'm looking forward to giving it another go and re-starting Infinite, though :-).

I can only really remember one jump scare in the first game and it was so obviously telegraphed.

I had the opposite effect, the setting was so gorgeous that I couldnt wait to delve further and further, I wonder if the Dublin Accent right at the start settled me, I remember Shadowman had a snake with a Dublin accent in the hub world and that game only freaked me out slightly. :lol:

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