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by KjGarly » Mon May 28, 2018 9:10 pm

Missed out on Xcom 2 with whatever monthly bundle it was in so just picked it up from CDKeys for £3.99.

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by Rightey » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:40 pm

Just came across the fallout New Vegas mod set to be released in October...

It looks pretty damn good...




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by Knoyleo » Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:35 pm

Anyone want a code for Sunless Sea on GOG? I got a free copy, but already own it.

Gone.

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by Tafdolphin » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:36 pm

Knoyleo wrote:Anyone want a code for Sunless Sea on GOG? I got a free copy, but already own it.


(I'll take that Sunless Sea code if it hasn't already gone!)

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This gooseberry fool makes me want to strawberry floating scream. Such a lazy, scumbag decision.

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by Pedz » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:02 pm

Maybe they are just allowing sexy naked games now?

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by Tafdolphin » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:04 pm

Pedz wrote:Maybe they are just allowing sexy naked games now?


It's in black and white up there. Valve have turned their noses up and said 'strawberry float it, do what you want we're not moderating anymore.' It's the same attitude twitter and YouTube use to excuse themselves from responsibility when, for example, millions of bots manage to sway the election process of the most powerful country in the world.

It's lazy, it's harmful and it's strawberry floating irresponsible.

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by Rightey » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:08 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:
Pedz wrote:Maybe they are just allowing sexy naked games now?


It's in black and white up there. Valve have turned their noses up and said 'strawberry float it, do what you want we're not moderating anymore.' It's the same attitude twitter and YouTube use to excuse themselves from responsibility when, for example, millions of bots manage to sway the election process of the most powerful country in the world.

It's lazy, it's harmful and it's strawberry floating irresponsible.


I'm pretty sure this is just in response to the blow back from banning a bunch of anime games for showing boobs, but allowing games like the Witcher to show boobs.

I really doubt many elections are going to be swayed by some indie steam game.

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by PsychicSykes » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:17 pm

I thought non-moderation already was Valve's policy.

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by Tafdolphin » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:17 pm

Rightey wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:
Pedz wrote:Maybe they are just allowing sexy naked games now?


It's in black and white up there. Valve have turned their noses up and said 'strawberry float it, do what you want we're not moderating anymore.' It's the same attitude twitter and YouTube use to excuse themselves from responsibility when, for example, millions of bots manage to sway the election process of the most powerful country in the world.

It's lazy, it's harmful and it's strawberry floating irresponsible.


I'm pretty sure this is just in response to the blow back from banning a bunch of anime games for showing boobs, but allowing games like the Witcher to show boobs.

I really doubt many elections are going to be swayed by some indie steam game.


Once again for those in the cheap seats, this is the owner of the biggest market for PC games literally stating they are no longer monitoring their store for offensive and abusive content.

Like the example I used purely for illustrative purposes, this is another example of tech companies creating a place where abusive content can flourish and washing their hands of responsibility for it.

EDIT: From the author of the Kotaku piece (it's a thread):


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by Hime » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:32 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:
Rightey wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:
Pedz wrote:Maybe they are just allowing sexy naked games now?


It's in black and white up there. Valve have turned their noses up and said 'strawberry float it, do what you want we're not moderating anymore.' It's the same attitude twitter and YouTube use to excuse themselves from responsibility when, for example, millions of bots manage to sway the election process of the most powerful country in the world.

It's lazy, it's harmful and it's strawberry floating irresponsible.


I'm pretty sure this is just in response to the blow back from banning a bunch of anime games for showing boobs, but allowing games like the Witcher to show boobs.

I really doubt many elections are going to be swayed by some indie steam game.


Once again for those in the cheap seats, this is the owner of the biggest market for PC games literally stating they are no longer monitoring their store for offensive and abusive content.

Like the example I used purely for illustrative purposes, this is another example of tech companies creating a place where abusive content can flourish and washing their hands of responsibility for it.

EDIT: From the author of the Kotaku piece (it's a thread):


Freedom of speech mate.

just to avoid any confusion, I am of course joking

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by Knoyleo » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:44 pm

Can't wait for the Jimquisition on this one.

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by Rightey » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:54 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:
Rightey wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:
Pedz wrote:Maybe they are just allowing sexy naked games now?


It's in black and white up there. Valve have turned their noses up and said 'strawberry float it, do what you want we're not moderating anymore.' It's the same attitude twitter and YouTube use to excuse themselves from responsibility when, for example, millions of bots manage to sway the election process of the most powerful country in the world.

It's lazy, it's harmful and it's strawberry floating irresponsible.


I'm pretty sure this is just in response to the blow back from banning a bunch of anime games for showing boobs, but allowing games like the Witcher to show boobs.

I really doubt many elections are going to be swayed by some indie steam game.


Once again for those in the cheap seats, this is the owner of the biggest market for PC games literally stating they are no longer monitoring their store for offensive and abusive content.

Like the example I used purely for illustrative purposes, this is another example of tech companies creating a place where abusive content can flourish and washing their hands of responsibility for it.

EDIT: From the author of the Kotaku piece (it's a thread):



So just out of curiosity what are you worried about? The only bad thing I can see happening is more aggressive micro-transations, and loot boxes.

Making games isn't the same thing as making twitter bots, your games actually have to be good for people to play them, and that takes time, effort and skill. There are also loads of games that are violent, but inciting hatred is illegal in pretty much every country I'm aware of, so I doubt we'll see some game where you have to build and manage your own Islamic State anytime soon.

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by Karl » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:56 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:Once again for those in the cheap seats, this is the owner of the biggest market for PC games literally stating they are no longer monitoring their store for offensive and abusive content.

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, do you feel they're using the anime tiddies 'controversy' as a convenient excuse to simply blanket step back from all moderation duties?

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by Pedz » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:59 pm

Karl wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:Once again for those in the cheap seats, this is the owner of the biggest market for PC games literally stating they are no longer monitoring their store for offensive and abusive content.

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, do you feel they're using the anime tiddies 'controversy' as a convenient excuse to simply blanket step back from all moderation duties?


Isn't Anime Tiddies all they moderate now though?

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by Karl » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:05 pm

Pedz wrote:
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Tafdolphin wrote:Once again for those in the cheap seats, this is the owner of the biggest market for PC games literally stating they are no longer monitoring their store for offensive and abusive content.

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, do you feel they're using the anime tiddies 'controversy' as a convenient excuse to simply blanket step back from all moderation duties?

Isn't Anime Tiddies all they moderate now though?

Nah, they pull (or pulled, I guess!) all kinds of offensive nonsense. Like this, from just a week or so ago: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44302146 ("School shooting game Active Shooter pulled by Steam")

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by Trelliz » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:12 pm

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Making games isn't the same thing as making twitter bots, your games actually have to be good for people to play them, and that takes time, effort and skill. There are also loads of games that are violent, but inciting hatred is illegal in pretty much every country I'm aware of, so I doubt we'll see some game where you have to build and manage your own Islamic State anytime soon.


Given the amount of asset flip garbage on steam it apparently takes no skill at all to flood the market with achievement/trading card grinders or just plain rubbish that hides the good stuff. I rarely actually look at the steam store anymore, it just isn't worth it. I either go looking for a specific thing or activate a key and go.

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by Rightey » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:22 pm

Trelliz wrote:Given the amount of asset flip garbage on steam it apparently takes no skill at all to flood the market with achievement/trading card grinders or just plain rubbish that hides the good stuff. I rarely actually look at the steam store anymore, it just isn't worth it. I either go looking for a specific thing or activate a key and go.


I was going to mention the risk of flooding the store, but it's already flooded with low quality games. But even that still takes some effort, and who actually plays those games? Are they going to influence popular opinion on something like an election?

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by Met » Thu Jun 07, 2018 12:42 am

I'm feeling like I'm the only one who's looking at this somewhat positively. If people want to play booby games let them play their booby games. I think Active Shooter was tasteless and a horrible idea, but it still deserves to exist as much as anything else.

The topic of quality control is completely different to the topic of censorship, and I'm all for quality control, which, yes, Valve is very lacking in. Censorship, which is what they seem to be stepping away from, as far as I can tell, does nothing but stifle creative freedom.

While a blanket approval of everything doesn't help their quality aspect, it's not them stepping away from it as Valve has never stepped up to quality control in the first place. It's a moot point. But the removal of censorship is a net positive.

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by Rightey » Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:37 am

I was looking at it positively. :|

But yeah I agree, loosening up censorship is ultimately a good thing. Yes there will be people who abuse it to create garbage, but ultimately I believe fewer restrictions when it comes to peoples ability to create games is a good thing.

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Also, Totally Accurate Battlegrounds is free for the first 100 hours...

https://store.steampowered.com/app/8231 ... legrounds/


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by Tafdolphin » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:17 am

Karl wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:Once again for those in the cheap seats, this is the owner of the biggest market for PC games literally stating they are no longer monitoring their store for offensive and abusive content.

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, do you feel they're using the anime tiddies 'controversy' as a convenient excuse to simply blanket step back from all moderation duties?


I think this is undoubtedly what has happened.

People have been crying out for better moderation of Steam for years. Better as in valid. As in 'moderate asset flip games, moderate offensive content, moderate scams'. Make Steam a more effective and safe environment.

Valve then announced a blanket ban on "pornographic" content. This was akin to Twitter starting to ban accounts that used offensive language during the bot/nazi flood: the accounts that were actually the problem were not affected and a bunch of actively decent users were getting suspended.

Now, Valve have washed their hands of it. They've gone 'well, we tried to do something but it didn't work so now we're actively going to do nothing.' Which is the worst thing they could have done. This is giving asset flippers and scammers free reign, not to mention those who create school shooter simulators and the like. For a lot of tiny, one man developers this is devastating as a market already overly saturated with nonsense will now become exponentially worse, not to mention the fact that anything they put out there has a sizeable risk of simply being cloned or stolen.

Like I say, it's a lazy and reprehensible move from a company that some people still refuse to see as anything but the good guys.

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