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by Kezzer » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:12 pm

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by Tafdolphin » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:12 pm

Quick question for everyone: how does this article hold up for you?

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/av4a ... -we-end-it

It's a piece written by Mike Diver back in 2014 in the midst of GamerGate. Mike is one of the founders of Waypoint and a guy whose writing I've enjoyed for a while but I find this essay troubling in the context of today's post Alt-Right world-order. Is it just me or is this verging on apologism?

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by Knoyleo » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:08 pm

A shitty Vice article?

Well I never.

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by Tafdolphin » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:24 pm

Not shitty no. Playing devil's advocate he's trying to show that the stereotyping of people on both sides only elongated the hostility and led to more people being hurt. At the time this may have been an acceptable viewpoint but in retrospect we know just how low GG dove and how much the movement was based on hateful opinions and viewpoints.

I was thinking about this due to a discussion on Waypoint Radio, the podcast of Vice's gaming arm (which everyone should listen to at least once, it fantastic). They were talking about the lukewarm reaction of many gaming journalists to GG as it was happening, including criticising how they themselves reacted. They even go so far as to link GG to the growth of the Alt-Right, and that the ability for people to get away with harassment during GG emboldened them to become a politically invested movement. Mike Diver is not, from everything I've read, a GGer but his article reads poorly given all we now know of how depraved GG got.

It's a product of its time but that, to me, does not excuse its centrist "very fine people" esque narrative of GG. But like I say, I'm interested to know what other people think.

EDIT: I actually tweeted Mike Diver to see whether he thinks it stands up, but haven't gotten a response. I know he doesn't post here that much but I'd would love to hear rudderless' opinion too, as someone who was an active games journo at the time.

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by Ironhide » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:14 pm

I still don't know (or care) what "Gamergate" was.

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by Tafdolphin » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:25 pm

Yulehide wrote:I still don't know (or care) what "Gamergate" was.


You should.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy

The ability to not care about this stuff is pretty much the definition of white/male privilege. Just because it doesn't affect you does not mean you shouldn't care. In fact it means the opposite.

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by Ad7 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:34 pm

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by Tafdolphin » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:35 pm

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by Tafdolphin » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:04 pm

Gently-Hung Holly Wreath wrote:Image


I can't see that at work but I imagine it's something implying I'm some sort of sissy.

EDIT: Meh, half right.

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by False » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:13 pm

I really enjoy talking about white male privilege on my pc gaming threads. Its super hot to drag up a four year old article to question whether maybe this one thing someone said was maybe not right - you know, at that point in time when all the world was drowning in a torrent of liquid gooseberry fool ejected from oppressors and oppressed and xe's and xur's and owlkin.

Maybe if you want to question the morality and politics of one random dude then start a gaming politics thread or morality discussion and deal with it in there, and have it locked and deleted like it does on every other gaming discussion outlet. Its a gooseberry fool conversation which invites shitheads but if you want to have it then do it in the proper place so you'll all at least be primed for the shitting back and forth, forever, with the rest of the professionally offended and professional offenders.

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by Ad7 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:18 pm

That goes so well with your sig image :lol:

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by Tafdolphin » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:24 pm

Gently-Hung Holly Wreath wrote:I really enjoy talking about white male privilege on my pc gaming threads. Its super hot to drag up a four year old article to question whether maybe this one thing someone said was maybe not right - you know, at that point in time when all the world was drowning in a torrent of liquid gooseberry fool ejected from oppressors and oppressed and xe's and xur's and owlkin.

Maybe if you want to question the morality and politics of one random dude then start a gaming politics thread or morality discussion and deal with it in there, and have it locked and deleted like it does on every other gaming discussion outlet. Its a gooseberry fool conversation which invites shitheads but if you want to have it then do it in the proper place so you'll all at least be primed for the shitting back and forth, forever, with the rest of the professionally offended and professional offenders.


I think I'm accurate in saying that this forum is, generally, fairly left leaning. Take a look at the polls on the Brexit thread, or the attitudes in the politics thread and this holds true. However, whenever I bring up politics within the realm of gaming, or in this case simply attempt to canvass the opinions of people on an article I stumbled across, I am greeted with hostility. Concerning hostility.

I don't get this. It could be because games for many are an escape from the real world and the idea of bringing that world into the realm of games scares people. It could be because different people read different sections of the forum. Who knows.

But still. To answer your post, this is the general PC gaming thread. I had a quick and simple question, the answer to which I was genuinely interested in. I thought this was the most relevant place to ask it. I did not get an answer, for whatever reason. So, once again, I'll back away from the conversation because I know I'll be shouted down.

I just wish I knew why.

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by Knoyleo » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:27 pm

Someone writing a bad take three/four years ago isn't really worth much of a conversation.

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by Tafdolphin » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:32 pm

EberKneesUp wrote:Someone writing a bad take three/four years ago isn't really worth much of a conversation.


That wasn't my question. But let's drop this now it's not getting anyone anywhere.

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by Ad7 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:35 pm

I don't know what it is and I don't care. I come in here to see talk about games and it seems like the kind of thing that gaf would bang on about endlessley. In fact I've heard of it from there but I don't care.

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by False » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:42 pm

Rudolphin wrote:However, whenever I bring up politics within the realm of gaming, or in this case simply attempt to canvass the opinions of people on an article I stumbled across, I am greeted with hostility. Concerning hostility.


I dont know how much gamergating you have done, so excuse me if Im misinterpreting. Gamergate is such a toxic word (portmanteau?) that it instantly raises heckles. Its pretty undoubtable that the same wankers that bred that mess have also succesfully nurtured the current alt-right shite as well. These are the kinds of gooseberry fool stains that the conversations deal with.

Now, had we had a brand new bombshell article from Mr Waypoint saying how maybe women in games is a bad thing after all, you know? Then hell yeah mummy strawberry floater lets call that cunny a cunny and piss on his head. Reviving a four year old thinkpiece, that even in its genre is entirely insignificant and forgettable, to discuss the merits and demerits of a point of view that very well could have evolved or been retracted is not productive.

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EberKneesUp wrote:Someone writing a bad take three/four years ago isn't really worth much of a conversation.


I think you have to be working hard to be offended to get mad about some bad hot take from a very long time ago. And should that be the case, then the happy den that is the PC-Gaming-No-Girls-Allowed Treehouse is not the warren to debate it. My 2c.

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Advent7 wrote:I don't know what it is and I don't care. I come in here to see talk about games and it seems like the kind of thing that gaf would bang on about endlessley. In fact I've heard of it from there but I don't care.

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by Brerlappin » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:56 pm

Us gamers, huh? Huh guys?

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by Karl » Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:04 pm

Yo Taf. I'm totally cool with 'gaming politics' discussions, but the PCGT isn't the right place IMO. If you fancy starting a thread for it then that would be great.

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by Albear » Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:34 pm

But don't feel you have to.


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