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Karl wrote:

Tafdolphin wrote:Once again for those in the cheap seats, this is the owner of the biggest market for PC games literally stating they are no longer monitoring their store for offensive and abusive content.

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, do you feel they're using the anime tiddies 'controversy' as a convenient excuse to simply blanket step back from all moderation duties?

Met wrote:I'm feeling like I'm the only one who's looking at this somewhat positively. If people want to play booby games let them play their booby games. I think Active Shooter was tasteless and a horrible idea, but it still deserves to exist as much as anything else.

The topic of quality control is completely different to the topic of censorship, and I'm all for quality control, which, yes, Valve is very lacking in. Censorship, which is what they seem to be stepping away from, as far as I can tell, does nothing but stifle creative freedom.

While a blanket approval of everything doesn't help their quality aspect, it's not them stepping away from it as Valve has never stepped up to quality control in the first place. It's a moot point. But the removal of censorship is a net positive.

Met wrote:Censorship, which is what they seem to be stepping away from, as far as I can tell, does nothing but stifle creative freedom.

Rightey wrote:I believe fewer restrictions when it comes to peoples ability to create games is a good thing.

Karl wrote:The creators of Kill All Black People Simulator (name chosen to be deliberately ridiculous, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's out there somewhere...)

Knoyleo wrote:Can't wait for the Jimquisition on this one.

Karl wrote:

Met wrote:Censorship, which is what they seem to be stepping away from, as far as I can tell, does nothing but stifle creative freedom.

Rightey wrote:I believe fewer restrictions when it comes to peoples ability to create games is a good thing.

But no-one is censoring games. What they were saying, previously, was "we're a shop and we don't want to endorse certain kinds of content by having it appear in our shop".

The creators of Kill All Black People Simulator (name chosen to be deliberately ridiculous, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's out there somewhere...) could still make the game and upload it to the Internet and link it on The_Donald for a trillion upvotes. They can even sell it, privately, to those people. But Valve obviously shouldn't endorse it by putting it on Steam. And having it appear in your shop is an endorsement. They can say "It's not an endorsement, it's an open platform", but what they really mean is "From now on we'll endorse almost literally anything".

And yeah Rightey you're right, Kill All Black People Simulator isn't going to by itself convince someone to join the KKK. But maybe it makes someone falling into an alt-right way of thinking a bit more comfortable with their choices and feelings. Maybe it makes black people who see the store page and see Valve not doing anything about it feel a little worse that day. If we consistently accept things that make that incremental difference, all those little things add up and turn into social movements and oppression.

Pedz wrote:THEY WERE CENSORING ANIME TIDDIES KARL! ANIME TIDDIES.

twitter.com/notch/status/1004729928192061441

Knoyleo wrote:Notorious banana split, Notch, weighs in:

twitter.com/notch/status/1004729928192061441

Pedz wrote:OK, guys, are there any people in the industry that are likeable?

Albear wrote:What did notch do that makes people hate him so much?

Starting around 2017, Persson began receiving criticism for political and social opinions he expressed on Twitter. In July 2017, he tweeted in support of a heterosexual pride day. After facing community backlash, he deleted the tweets and walked back his statements, writing in one tweet, "So yeah, it's about pride of daring to express, not about pride of being who you are. I get it now."[33] Critics said his follow-up tweets were "half-baked apologies."[34]

In August 2017, Persson received criticism for a series of tweets suggesting the possible truth of the Pizzagate conspiracy theory, which claims members of the Democratic Party, including Hillary Clinton and John Podesta, were involved in human trafficking and running a child sex ring from a pizzeria. When asked to clarify his position by a reporter, Persson indicated that he did not necessarily wholly support every component of the Pizzagate theory, but pointed out several components that he found plausible; he suggested that the illegal behavior might be "drugs and collusion" rather than a child sex ring.[35][36]

In November 2017, Persson was criticized for posting a tweet that read, "It's ok to be white." In follow-up tweets, he said he believed privilege is a "made up metric." Critics of Persson said his message was "tone-deaf" and "ignorant"; The Root called the tweets a "white-privilege meltdown

Albear wrote:Ah ok. He sounds like a dick.

If you're against the concept of a #heterosexualprideday you're a complete strawberry floating banana split and deserve to be shot

Karl wrote:But no-one is censoring games. What they were saying, previously, was "we're a shop and we don't want to endorse certain kinds of content by having it appear in our shop".

The creators of Kill All Black People Simulator (name chosen to be deliberately ridiculous, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's out there somewhere...) could still make the game and upload it to the Internet and link it on The_Donald for a trillion upvotes. They can even sell it, privately, to those people. But Valve obviously shouldn't endorse it by putting it on Steam. And having it appear in your shop is an endorsement. They can say "It's not an endorsement, it's an open platform", but what they really mean is "From now on we'll endorse almost literally anything".

And yeah Rightey you're right, Kill All Black People Simulator isn't going to by itself convince someone to join the KKK. But maybe it makes someone falling into an alt-right way of thinking a bit more comfortable with their choices and feelings. Maybe it makes black people who see the store page and see Valve not doing anything about it feel a little worse that day. If we consistently accept things that make that incremental difference, all those little things add up and turn into social movements and oppression.