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by Knoyleo » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:47 am

That's not a growth wrote:I remember the days you could get a decent machine for £600 if you were thrifty with a few parts. There used to be articles about building a PC with better performance than the then current consoles for less cost. Those were the days.

The potato masher /potato masher pro series is still going on YouTube, but even then, the cost of the parts in the machine are higher now than they were when it was built, meaning it would now be more expensive than the "4K" consoles. He still playtests a lot of big new releases on it, and it goes a long way to showing how even a low-mid range set up still generally handles 1080p60fps with ease.


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by Green Gecko » Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:39 am

Maybe the future really is the cloud when nobody can afford a GPU anymore so just access the same one over the network.

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by Cheeky Devlin » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:52 am

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That's not a growth wrote:I remember the days you could get a decent machine for £600 if you were thrifty with a few parts. There used to be articles about building a PC with better performance than the then current consoles for less cost. Those were the days.

The potato masher /potato masher pro series is still going on YouTube, but even then, the cost of the parts in the machine are higher now than they were when it was built, meaning it would now be more expensive than the "4K" consoles. He still playtests a lot of big new releases on it, and it goes a long way to showing how even a low-mid range set up still generally handles 1080p60fps with ease.


Kind of related, and I go into this a little more in the Emulation thread, but I just bought a refurbed Dell Optiplex 3020 and a GTX 1030 based on this video:


Arrived yesterday and while I've not got the graphics card yet I'm very impressed with how well it managed Dolphin and Citra just using the built in Intel Graphics chip. Citra ran Metroid and Ocarina/Majora's Mask at what appeared to be full speed (At their native resolution to be fair) and Dolphin allowed me to get 40-60fps on F-Zero GX straight out of the box.

I'm expecting a significant bump to the performance once I get the card into it.

All that for the low price of around £190 (Half of that is the Graphics card).

Plus it's small enough that I can easily take it round to friends houses and just hook it up.

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by Sandy » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:24 am

I would guess that a 1030 would handle 60fps at 1080p with ease, be interesting to see what kind of results you get.

I've got an old half sized 660ti I don't use for anything that I might try and shove in a tiny case at some point. I've got a full sized 970 as well that needs to be used. Really not idea what I'd get out of Dolphin with the 660ti but would hope to get something approaching 60fps at 1080p on the 970. If the 660ti gives good results I'll look into buying a Pico PSU to run it in a small box.

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by Cheeky Devlin » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:36 am

Sandy wrote:I would guess that a 1030 would handle 60fps at 1080p with ease, be interesting to see what kind of results you get.

I've got an old half sized 660ti I don't use for anything that I might try and shove in a tiny case at some point. I've got a full sized 970 as well that needs to be used. Really not idea what I'd get out of Dolphin with the 660ti but would hope to get something approaching 60fps at 1080p on the 970. If the 660ti gives good results I'll look into buying a Pico PSU to run it in a small box.

Going by the video I posted above (This guy does some pretty good emulation based ones) I "should" be able to do 4K on Dolphin, but I'm not sure about that to be honest. It's going to be hooked up to a 4KTV so I can test it out, but I'll be more than happy with 1080p 60fps.

Best part is it's small enough to stick in a bag and take to a mates house, so I'm planning on showing it off to my Brother-in-law and a couple of other mates in a week or two. Gonna pick up another Dolphin Bar for Wii stuff and combined with my Mayflash N64 adapter I'm sorted for playing just about everything I want in a reasonably authentic manner.

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by Sandy » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:48 pm

Cheeky Devlin wrote:Going by the video I posted above (This guy does some pretty good emulation based ones) I "should" be able to do 4K on Dolphin, but I'm not sure about that to be honest. It's going to be hooked up to a 4KTV so I can test it out, but I'll be more than happy with 1080p 60fps.

Best part is it's small enough to stick in a bag and take to a mates house, so I'm planning on showing it off to my Brother-in-law and a couple of other mates in a week or two. Gonna pick up another Dolphin Bar for Wii stuff and combined with my Mayflash N64 adapter I'm sorted for playing just about everything I want in a reasonably authentic manner.


Well this has definitely just triggered an Amazon purchase. I didn't know about the sensor bar until now.

Sounds like a good setup you'll have. Especially as I still find all of the older consoles much better for multiplayer and being able to take it round a friends with 4 controllers will be perfect.

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by Jazzem » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:54 pm

Sandy wrote:
Cheeky Devlin wrote:Going by the video I posted above (This guy does some pretty good emulation based ones) I "should" be able to do 4K on Dolphin, but I'm not sure about that to be honest. It's going to be hooked up to a 4KTV so I can test it out, but I'll be more than happy with 1080p 60fps.

Best part is it's small enough to stick in a bag and take to a mates house, so I'm planning on showing it off to my Brother-in-law and a couple of other mates in a week or two. Gonna pick up another Dolphin Bar for Wii stuff and combined with my Mayflash N64 adapter I'm sorted for playing just about everything I want in a reasonably authentic manner.


Well this has definitely just triggered an Amazon purchase. I didn't know about the sensor bar until now.

Sounds like a good setup you'll have. Especially as I still find all of the older consoles much better for multiplayer and being able to take it round a friends with 4 controllers will be perfect.


The Dolphin bar is such a treat, especially given how many control configurations Wii games can have. Between that and the Wii U/Switch Gamecube USB adapter it makes things much easier in being able to use original pads without configuration.

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by Cheeky Devlin » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:56 pm

Sandy wrote:
Cheeky Devlin wrote:Going by the video I posted above (This guy does some pretty good emulation based ones) I "should" be able to do 4K on Dolphin, but I'm not sure about that to be honest. It's going to be hooked up to a 4KTV so I can test it out, but I'll be more than happy with 1080p 60fps.

Best part is it's small enough to stick in a bag and take to a mates house, so I'm planning on showing it off to my Brother-in-law and a couple of other mates in a week or two. Gonna pick up another Dolphin Bar for Wii stuff and combined with my Mayflash N64 adapter I'm sorted for playing just about everything I want in a reasonably authentic manner.


Well this has definitely just triggered an Amazon purchase. I didn't know about the sensor bar until now.

Sounds like a good setup you'll have. Especially as I still find all of the older consoles much better for multiplayer and being able to take it round a friends with 4 controllers will be perfect.

It will be once it's done. Just waiting on my graphics card to get it up to the spec I need, though I'll probably review that a bit down the line to see if I can get it to run Cemu and RPCS3.

The Dolphin Bar is essential really. If you have Wiimotes it basically turns your PC into a HD/4K Wii. I just finished playing through the Metroid Prime Trilogy with it and in terms of the controls I've found it indistinguishable from the real system.

EDIT: Oh and it works with the accessories as well. I've been playing Rock Band using it.

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by Jenuall » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:05 pm

Are there replica wiimotes that you can buy to use with the Dolphin Bar then? I gave my Wii away years ago so I don't have any controllers left and I imagine the supply of second hand ones is limited/expensive.

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by Sandy » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:08 pm

It's arriving tomorrow and I've got the day off, so I'll have a play around. I picked up 4 of the WiiU Gamecube USB ports when Argos were selling them off for £5, just in case I ever needed them for new builds or they broke.

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by Death's Head » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:12 pm

Where do you get the Dolphin Bar from and how much?

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by Cheeky Devlin » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:21 pm

I think Amazon has them for around £10 or so. They're not expensive and they work really well.

I'm not sure what the going rate for Wiimotes is these days, but bear in mind just how many Wii's sold to people who don't normally game. I imagine there's a decent enough supply of them. I've got one with Motion+ built in and a standard one and they both just work well.

Third-party ones might be a bit iffy though. I would look into it before buying anything.

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by Sandy » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:22 pm

Amazon £17. It's called the Mayflash W010 Dolphin Bar.

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by Cheeky Devlin » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:23 pm

Sandy wrote:Amazon £17. It's called the Mayflash W010 Dolphin Bar.

That's the one.

It's got a few modes as well so you can use it like any other controller, a mouse pointer, or a Wiimote. Even the speaker works with it. :D

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by Pedz » Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:42 pm

Cheeky Devlin wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
That's not a growth wrote:I remember the days you could get a decent machine for £600 if you were thrifty with a few parts. There used to be articles about building a PC with better performance than the then current consoles for less cost. Those were the days.

The potato masher /potato masher pro series is still going on YouTube, but even then, the cost of the parts in the machine are higher now than they were when it was built, meaning it would now be more expensive than the "4K" consoles. He still playtests a lot of big new releases on it, and it goes a long way to showing how even a low-mid range set up still generally handles 1080p60fps with ease.


Kind of related, and I go into this a little more in the Emulation thread, but I just bought a refurbed Dell Optiplex 3020 and a GTX 1030 based on this video:


Arrived yesterday and while I've not got the graphics card yet I'm very impressed with how well it managed Dolphin and Citra just using the built in Intel Graphics chip. Citra ran Metroid and Ocarina/Majora's Mask at what appeared to be full speed (At their native resolution to be fair) and Dolphin allowed me to get 40-60fps on F-Zero GX straight out of the box.

I'm expecting a significant bump to the performance once I get the card into it.

All that for the low price of around £190 (Half of that is the Graphics card).

Plus it's small enough that I can easily take it round to friends houses and just hook it up.


Haven't looked at the vid yet, but how would it do with more modern games?

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by Cheeky Devlin » Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:44 pm

Pedz wrote:
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Knoyleo wrote:
That's not a growth wrote:I remember the days you could get a decent machine for £600 if you were thrifty with a few parts. There used to be articles about building a PC with better performance than the then current consoles for less cost. Those were the days.

The potato masher /potato masher pro series is still going on YouTube, but even then, the cost of the parts in the machine are higher now than they were when it was built, meaning it would now be more expensive than the "4K" consoles. He still playtests a lot of big new releases on it, and it goes a long way to showing how even a low-mid range set up still generally handles 1080p60fps with ease.


Kind of related, and I go into this a little more in the Emulation thread, but I just bought a refurbed Dell Optiplex 3020 and a GTX 1030 based on this video:


Arrived yesterday and while I've not got the graphics card yet I'm very impressed with how well it managed Dolphin and Citra just using the built in Intel Graphics chip. Citra ran Metroid and Ocarina/Majora's Mask at what appeared to be full speed (At their native resolution to be fair) and Dolphin allowed me to get 40-60fps on F-Zero GX straight out of the box.

I'm expecting a significant bump to the performance once I get the card into it.

All that for the low price of around £190 (Half of that is the Graphics card).

Plus it's small enough that I can easily take it round to friends houses and just hook it up.


Haven't looked at the vid yet, but how would it do with more modern games?

I'm hoping to check that out once I get my graphics card, but it should be able to handle GTA V, Rocket League and some other more recent games with some tweaking to their settings. The 1030 card only has 2GB of DDR5 RAM so it's not a huge amount.

EDIT: That said PC games aren't really the focus of what I want to do with it. It's a nice bonus, but I'm not going to be too annoyed if it's not fantastic. Definitely going to load it up with as much as I can though. I'll probably need to double the hard drive space though. I've got about 2Tb in it right now and I've only got about 400Gb left after putting all my ROMs in. Something like GTA V or Doom is gonna chew through that.

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by Pedz » Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:44 pm

Cheeky Devlin wrote:
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Cheeky Devlin wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
That's not a growth wrote:I remember the days you could get a decent machine for £600 if you were thrifty with a few parts. There used to be articles about building a PC with better performance than the then current consoles for less cost. Those were the days.

The potato masher /potato masher pro series is still going on YouTube, but even then, the cost of the parts in the machine are higher now than they were when it was built, meaning it would now be more expensive than the "4K" consoles. He still playtests a lot of big new releases on it, and it goes a long way to showing how even a low-mid range set up still generally handles 1080p60fps with ease.


Kind of related, and I go into this a little more in the Emulation thread, but I just bought a refurbed Dell Optiplex 3020 and a GTX 1030 based on this video:


Arrived yesterday and while I've not got the graphics card yet I'm very impressed with how well it managed Dolphin and Citra just using the built in Intel Graphics chip. Citra ran Metroid and Ocarina/Majora's Mask at what appeared to be full speed (At their native resolution to be fair) and Dolphin allowed me to get 40-60fps on F-Zero GX straight out of the box.

I'm expecting a significant bump to the performance once I get the card into it.

All that for the low price of around £190 (Half of that is the Graphics card).

Plus it's small enough that I can easily take it round to friends houses and just hook it up.


Haven't looked at the vid yet, but how would it do with more modern games?

I'm hoping to check that out once I get my graphics card, but it should be able to handle GTA V, Rocket League and some other more recent games with some tweaking to their settings. The 1030 card only has 2GB of DDR5 RAM so it's not a huge amount.

EDIT: That said PC games aren't really the focus of what I want to do with it. It's a nice bonus, but I'm not going to be too annoyed if it's not fantastic. Definitely going to load it up with as much as I can though. I'll probably need to double the hard drive space though. I've got about 2Tb in it right now and I've only got about 400Gb left after putting all my ROMs in. Something like GTA V or Doom is gonna chew through that.



I was thinking it it had retro games on it and was able to play modern games, recently, then I could buy it for the kids and they came stay away from my pc :lol:

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by Tafdolphin » Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:33 pm

Remember how I'm always moaning about Rock Paper Shotgun's mysterious supporter programme, how it's an odd holdover from their time as an independent site and that they've never really made it gel with their multiple takeovers by increasingly massive conglomerates?

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RPS is owned and funded by the company that bought the entire Gamer Network and runs all the PAX conferences. RPS is the only site they own with its own independent income stream outside of advertising (the supporter programme) and now the only one to ban adblock users.

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