Plastic

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Do you care about the levels of plastic being produced and used?

Yes, and I'm trying to cut down my use.
25
58%
Yes, but I don't care enough to do anything about it
9
21%
I'm indifferent
7
16%
No, I don't care.
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5%
 
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by Lotus » Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:29 pm

With the War on Plastic™ well and truly underway, I'm curious whether people genuinely care about it and if they're changing their habits or not. Lots of people are crying on social media about it, but that's different to actually making a change.

With companies pledging to reduce plastic packaging and plastic use, or vowing to make their plastic products recyclable, or switching to non-plastic alternatives, what about the consumer? Are you concerned about the volume of plastic being produced/used/polluting the environment? Have you taken steps to reduce how much you use? If so, how? If not, why not?

Personally I think a chunk of the environmental issue (polluting oceans, mainly) could be sorted by better waste management and recycling processes, i.e. stopping the plastic getting into waterways in the first place. A huge amount of the plastic in the oceans come from developing countries with no recycling infrastructure or waste management structure. Tackling that would go a huge way to helping, not just developing new types of plastic or cutting it down (because even then plastic from these countries is going to end up in the same place if nothing's done to address it).

I'm all for using renewable, recyclable materials though, and so as long as enough thought is being put into these new products and processes, and we're looking ahead enough to avoid creating problems for ourselves in the future, then it's good in my books. I've long thought that the single-use plastics and excessive packing side of things is a joke, and so it'll be good to see that tackled. It's only when you actively try and start reducing your own personal use of it though that you realise how prevalent is in and how difficult it can be to avoid it (a bit like sugar in foods - it's everywhere).

Thoughts?

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by <]:^D » Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:38 pm

people who wander around with plastic water bottles :x

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by HSH28 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:41 pm

<]:^D wrote:people who wander around with plastic water bottles :x


What's wrong with that?

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by False » Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:42 pm

I try my best, but its really impossible in the modern world as it is.

I reuse my bottles and cups and stuff, avoid straws and lids if I have to take a new cup. I try to recycle everything I can (but there is a massive gap between what should be recyclable and what the council will actually take).

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PostRe: Plastic
by Hypes » Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:46 pm

Bought a bottle of water this morning. Will refill it for the journey home, then will reuse it many times more before returning it to the shop for 25¢

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PostRe: Plastic
by SandyCoin » Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:47 pm

Lotus wrote:With the War on Plastic™ well and truly underway, I'm curious whether people genuinely care about it and if they're changing their habits or not. Lots of people are crying on social media about it, but that's different to actually making a change.

With companies pledging to reduce plastic packaging and plastic use, or vowing to make their plastic products recyclable, or switching to non-plastic alternatives, what about the consumer? Are you concerned about the volume of plastic being produced/used/polluting the environment? Have you taken steps to reduce how much you use? If so, how? If not, why not?

Personally I think a chunk of the environmental issue (polluting oceans, mainly) could be sorted by better waste management and recycling processes, i.e. stopping the plastic getting into waterways in the first place. A huge amount of the plastic in the oceans come from developing countries with no recycling infrastructure or waste management structure. Tackling that would go a huge way to helping, not just developing new types of plastic or cutting it down (because even then plastic from these countries is going to end up in the same place if nothing's done to address it).

I'm all for using renewable, recyclable materials though, and so as long as enough thought is being put into these new products and processes, and we're looking ahead enough to avoid creating problems for ourselves in the future, then it's good in my books. I've long thought that the single-use plastics and excessive packing side of things is a joke, and so it'll be good to see that tackled. It's only when you actively try and start reducing your own personal use of it though that you realise how prevalent is in and how difficult it can be to avoid it (a bit like sugar in foods - it's everywhere).

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I like to think I've been cutting back for a long time now. However, there is only so much you can do due to the ridiculous amounts of plastic supermarket use for packaging. gooseberry fool like broccoli wrapped in plastic? Completely ridiculous. I normally buy loose carrots, tomatoes and other veg. I have also not used a plastic bag for a long, long time and have a collection of tote bags for supermarket use. I never get take away coffee and have a reusable water bottle that collapses so I can take it around. I have no shame asking a shop to fill my water though, which I think is a problem for a lot of people so they end up buying more plastic bottles.

It's good that the UK has finally started to use the plastic bottle return scheme as it's pretty cool (no idea why it's taken so long). Plus, if you are so lazy you can't be bothered to go to a supermarket to return them, here in Germany they are left for the homeless folk to get some extra cash. Waste management needs to improve for sure, especially since China has stopped being our rubbish bin. Things like plastic cling film and packaging aren't collected by all local authorities. Also, there is clear confusion about what people know they can recycle, so the plastic they think can be recycled just ends up on a landfill anyway. Also some stuff needs to be rinsed first, which people can't be bothered to do. The 5p cost to shopping bags has also decreased the number of single use plastic bags used.

It's certainly a concern, and whilst not as horrendous as some places in Asia, the amount of plastic packaging litter on the streets/beaches is pretty terrible in Europe.

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PostRe: Plastic
by Curls » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:02 pm

I'll admit I've been using water bottles for a while. I'll always reuse them to get a few drinks out of them and have no qualms with tap water. Thing is i am forgetful and often forget it when out and about.

Not an excuse I know. Anyway I aim to buy a proper 'water bottle' thing that i can reuse rather than constantly using plastic ones. I've bought a portable costa cup as well now so i can get my coffees without feeling guilty.

Thing i hate is service stations. Their taps in the loos are luke warm and only have one setting. So you can't get cold water out of them. That's shameful. Guess I'll have to start asking the mcdonalds and costas to refill me.

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PostRe: Plastic
by SandyCoin » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:07 pm

Curls wrote:I'll admit I've been using water bottles for a while. I'll always reuse them to get a few drinks out of them and have no qualms with tap water. Thing is i am forgetful and often forget it when out and about.

Not an excuse I know. Anyway I aim to buy a proper 'water bottle' thing that i can reuse rather than constantly using plastic ones. I've bought a portable costa cup as well now so i can get my coffees without feeling guilty.

Thing i hate is service stations. Their taps in the loos are luke warm and only have one setting. So you can't get cold water out of them. That's shameful. Guess I'll have to start asking the mcdonalds and costas to refill me.


Do it at airports too. The price alone puts me off getting water from airport shops so I always just ask Starbucks/Costa to fill up my bottle. I don't think people realise they can do this. Also, I believe every airport actually has a fountain for water, they just don't advertise it.

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PostRe: Plastic
by Albert » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:08 pm

I'm doing my bit by buying a new plastic bag every time I go to the supermarket and then forgetting for my next visit, thus buying a new bag again.

I currently own 9351 plastic bags. Bags that would otherwise have ended up in the ocean.

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PostRe: Plastic
by That » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:24 pm

I voted "Yes, but I don't care", but that's not really how I feel. Rather, I think that individual consumers stressing over plastic use is not going to meaningfully impact the UK's plastic profile -- government regulation is where you'll see real progress. Banning frivolous use of plastics is something I completely support. But that's out of my hands, so I don't worry about it day-to-day.

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PostRe: Plastic
by Jenuall » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:27 pm

Curls wrote:I'll admit I've been using water bottles for a while. I'll always reuse them to get a few drinks out of them and have no qualms with tap water. Thing is i am forgetful and often forget it when out and about.

Not an excuse I know. Anyway I aim to buy a proper 'water bottle' thing that i can reuse rather than constantly using plastic ones. I've bought a portable costa cup as well now so i can get my coffees without feeling guilty.

Thing i hate is service stations. Their taps in the loos are luke warm and only have one setting. So you can't get cold water out of them. That's shameful. Guess I'll have to start asking the mcdonalds and costas to refill me.


I may be wrong but I don't think there is any guarantee that the water from a tap like that is actually safe for drinking is there?

We've been trying to reduce our plastic use for a while now. In fact generally we've been aiming to reduce our waste and improve our level of recycling as a household a lot over the last few years, it can be hard but is absolutely worth it. I find that some shops have improved their use of packaging recently - Waitrose for example has started using far less plastic to wrap meat etc. Sainsbury's, Tesco and the like all still seem to produce these big tray containers that are far bigger than they need to be to hold the food inside.

On a side note I find it incredible just how much waste some people manage to produce - the council in Cheltenham switched to bi-weekly rubbish collection a few years back, in conjunction with improving their recycling collection and introducing a "food waste" collection scheme. It was met with so much abuse it was incredible - "I can't go two weeks without my rubbish being collected, this is a strawberry floating disgrace!" etc. Now I get that there will be some genuine scenarios where this may be true, but we're in a reasonable sized household (there's 5 of us - 2 adults and 3 kids) and can easily go 2 weeks without our bin overflowing. If you're filtering out the food waste and recycling then I genuinely don't know what people are doing to still end up with so much actual "rubbish"!

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by Gemini73 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:27 pm

Pretty indifferent to the whole plastic thing, at least in as how much I use.

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PostRe: Plastic
by Preezy » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:28 pm

I'm indifferent. Whilst we're washing our jam jars and getting in a tizz over Coke bottles, somewhere in India or China there's a big dumptruck pouring rubbish into a river day after day.

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PostRe: Plastic
by False » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:34 pm

When I was in Germany I really liked the idea of street recycling there. The shops take back recylable bottles and stuff and reuse them, and pay a small dividend for handing the bottles in. So people would leave their glass bottles and stuff on the ground near to the bins, and homeless people would collect them and get some cash for their trouble.

Obvious dystopic pessimism around abuse of the homeless' time aside, its a novel approach.

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PostRe: Plastic
by Curls » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:42 pm

I had a few plastic bottles I had in the side of my backpack nicked in Germany haha. I wasn't bothered but it did amuse me.

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PostRe: Plastic
by OrangeRKN » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:51 pm

Karl's got it right. It needs legislation and regulation.

I shouldn't feel like I'm killing the planet just because I don't make my own meals from scratch and what have you.

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by Jenuall » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:59 pm

Legislation and regulation are undoubtedly some of the most powerful tools in this battle, but the impact of change in behaviour from individuals shouldn't be discounted.

Just because the government has not banned certain practices, or enforced strict limits regarding use of plastics does not mean that I should wilfully ignore bad practice where I come across it. If I have the power to make an informed choice that is in someway beneficial to reducing plastic waste then why wouldn't I exercise that?

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PostRe: Plastic
by Moggy » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:19 pm

Karl wrote:I voted "Yes, but I don't care", but that's not really how I feel. Rather, I think that individual consumers stressing over plastic use is not going to meaningfully impact the UK's plastic profile -- government regulation is where you'll see real progress. Banning frivolous use of plastics is something I completely support. But that's out of my hands, so I don't worry about it day-to-day.


This.

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by Slayerx » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:22 pm

Interesting podcast with someone currently looking to help clean up plastic from the ocean.



The ironic thing is plastic is used to clean up plastic.

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PostRe: Plastic
by Squinty » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:47 pm

Yeah, I recycle and I reuse the same water bottle. My local council is pretty good for being proactive about it.


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