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I was watching "this" episode last night.

OrangeRKN wrote:
Sprouty wrote:There were some fantastic PS1 and PS2 games, but I really have no interest in playing through them today. Games don't age well, especially games from the early 3D era ... There is almost always a better, more modern version of older games, either through direct sequels, remakes or alternative takes on a similar concept produced with the benefit of advanced technology.

Couldn't disagree more! Some games have certainly aged badly, and many others have aspects that have aged when contrasted with modern quality of life and design principles, but that far from makes them unplayable or lesser experiences. There's no reason if a game was fun in the past it should be any less fun now. Changing design can swing both ways too, there are plenty of games of those eras that simply don't get made in the modern market because the genre has fallen out of fashion, because of changing priorities between e.g. local and online multiplayer, and because of the massively increased costs of modern game production.

Those first two 3D generations have many of what are still the best games ever made in my opinion.

I agree that there were many amazing games. Some of my favourite games from the PS1 era include Gran Turismo, Resident Evil 2, Final Fantasy 7, Crash Bandicoot, Deadball Zone, Warcraft 2, Nightmare Creatures and Metal Gear Solid.

Most of those have improved remakes or sequels which make the original redundant (GT is a prime example of a game where the sequels are nearly always an improvement, whilst story driven games have scope for debate). For others, I would say that there are more modern takes on the games which have improved the concept (Age of Empires 2 for Warcraft and Bloodborne for Nightmare Creatures).

Deadball Zone is probably the game I would play from that list because I don't think it has been improved upon, though it has sat on my shelf untouched for 20 years.

I think that if you want to play retro, the best place to do it is probably on the original console and old school television. With all the upscaling technology in the world, games that were created to run in low definition are going to look rough on a modern television. I don't blame Sony for putting the option out there and it sounds like a win for you, but I would expect that the majority of PS5 owners have very little interest in using it to run PS1 or PS2 games.

Game trials is an interesting one. It's the ultimate demo by the sounds of it.

The PS1 games I played on my Vita when I had one looked excellent - it was definitely the best way to play if you don't still have access to a CRT. I currently use a PS3 hooked up to a 24" (I think...maybe it's 21...) 720p TV which is the next best option. I did try on the big 55" 4K in the living room and it was a bit of a disaster. I think it was the first time I played Resident Evil and it revealed A) the fantastically low quality, smudged backdrops and B) the fact the 3D characters are effectively sat on top of a photograph.

I think the gameplay is something you would gradually adapt to again. It took me a while to get the hang of Ridge Racer Revolution for example when I put it on last year. The cars control nothing like they do from I think 4 onwards. My car kept always going sideways and crashing into the wall. And as for WipEout 1... :dread:

Handheld is definitely preferable against big modern TVs, both PSP and Vita were great for playing PS1 games. Bring out a new handheld Sony you cowards

Jenuall wrote:

I have no interest to play PS1-PS3 games nowadays and I preferred to leave those nice memories in the past in my mind.

If they do offer all exclusive PS5 games on PS++ and I might would go for this route to save some money. It's still early days to see the full idea of it.

BOR wrote:I have no interest to play PS1-PS3 games nowadays and I preferred to leave those nice memories in the past in my mind.

If they do offer all exclusive PS5 games on PS++ and I might would go for this route to save some money. It's still early days to see the full idea of it.

ICO is awesome, I have no idea how these work, do they run better than back in the day on PS5?

Photek wrote:
BOR wrote:I have no interest to play PS1-PS3 games nowadays and I preferred to leave those nice memories in the past in my mind.

If they do offer all exclusive PS5 games on PS++ and I might would go for this route to save some money. It's still early days to see the full idea of it.

ICO is awesome, I have no idea how these work, do they run better than back in the day on PS5?

I have played ICO twice back then.

We haven't seen what they will do with PS1-PS3 games. Upscaling them to 4k or leave these to true original.

This is a tough one. If the standard of Plus games remains as it currently stands, I'd be inclined to keep things as they are for me. There's rubbish stuff, but you get about 30 games per year for a pittance and there's more than enough to justify the £35 or so I pay (with CDKeys or the occasional Sony offer).

But there's every chance that the Plus games will be rubbish from here on, to tempt you in.

Can you still buy PSone classics on the PSVita? The store is still open right? Might grab Silent Hill and Resident Evil 2&3

Not sure about Vita, but they're still up on the PS3 store if you search for them - they'll then work across PSP, Vita, PS3 and PSTV. Silent Hill (and some other titles, like Kula World) are so expensive on disc (for some reason) if you can get the digital copy, it's probably worth doing so. I don't know if Sony still do sales on them, as at various points they've been on offer at 99p to £1.99.

Damian wrote:This is a tough one. If the standard of Plus games remains as it currently stands, I'd be inclined to keep things as they are for me. There's rubbish stuff, but you get about 30 games per year for a pittance and there's more than enough to justify the £35 or so I pay (with CDKeys or the occasional Sony offer).

But there's every chance that the Plus games will be rubbish from here on, to tempt you in.

Yeah, if they drop to the level of Games with Gold (and i'm inclined to think they will), then the only thing keeping me is the PS Collection (that i am slowly chipping through) and my library of games from 4 or 5 years of subbing up.

I would probably be happy to let my membership lapse until it comes up on one of those amazing deals you seem too see around Black Friday every year.

KK wrote:Not sure about Vita, but they're still up on the PS3 store if you search for them - they'll then work across PSP, Vita, PS3 and PSTV. Silent Hill (and some other titles, like Kula World) are so expensive on disc (for some reason) if you can get the digital copy, it's probably worth doing so. I don't know if Sony still do sales on them, as at various points they've been on offer at 99p to £1.99.

Ta, I’ll charge up the Vita and take a look and see if they are up there.

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Have they said anything about the upgrade path for current plus subscribers?

Samuel_1 wrote:Have they said anything about the upgrade path for current plus subscribers?

Just that the current sub will revert to the standard tier. Not sure about PS Now.

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I want access to online play but I don't want to pay to rent games chosen by the platform holder. Alas, no current console has this option.

*Photek intensifies*

jawa_ wrote:I want access to online play but I don't want to pay to rent games chosen by the platform holder. Alas, no current console has this option.

Bust that Wii U out :datass:

It always suprises me when I play multiplayer games with friends on Quest 2. We all just join up, no need to check if anyone's sub has expired etc.

kazanova_Frankenstein wrote:Bust that Wii U out :datass: ...

Looking back at the free online play for the PS3 and Wii U... good times. I guess that bad - nay, evil! - Microsoft started the "pay to play" aspect with Gold and then Sony and Nintendo - each being bastions of light and all that is good - were then unwillingly forced into taking a similar approach...

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