Politics Thread 5

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by Cuttooth » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:16 pm

KK wrote:The younger generation are also going to be more idealistic, the percentage gradually creeping up the older you get. It's the same with party affiliation. I bet if you were to ask a large section of old Tory voters today who they voted for when they were 18 they'd say Liberal Democrat.

This probably isn't as true as it's often described. It's probably explicitly true for baby boomers and to some extent Generation X but it fails to take into account the different levels of prosperity achieved at certain ages between different generations. It especially doesn't really consider the vast difference in homeownership and job stability enjoyed by baby boomers and millennials at the same points in life, and also downplays how many younger people voted Tory back in the day.

Ipsos Mori have some data broken down for election demographics since 1974.

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/ ... tober-1974

In 1983 42% of 18-24 year olds voted Tory. Using Yougov to find a quick breakdown of the 2017 suggests this is much lower at 19-22%. That level seems to be the lowest since 1974.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/ho ... -election/

You can probably tie a lot of the increase in conservative values as people age on the acquisition of property and the (generalisation) increased interest in increasing personal protections over others in society. It's difficult to suggest that kind of 'natural' change in view will be as widely prescribed for millennials who (generalisation) have very little chance of owning a home or having the same levels of job security.

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by Garth » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:34 pm

There are also many more people going into higher education nowadays, which can play a part in shaping political opinions. We've gone from about 5% of young people going into higher education in the early 1960s, to about 15% through the 1970s-80s, growing to about 35% in the 90s, then increasing to around 50% currently.

The technology of today could have an influence too, with more of the population now communicating with people from other countries and cultures.

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by Superking » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:40 pm

Garth wrote:There are also many more people going into higher education nowadays, which can play a part in shaping political opinions. We've gone from about 5% of young people going into higher education in the early 1960s, to about 15% through the 1970s-80s, growing to about 35% in the 90s, then increasing to around 50% currently.

The technology of today could have an influence too, with more of the population now communicating with people from other countries and cultures.


I’ve heard that in terms of the Brexit vote education was by the far the biggest dividing factor between leave and remain. I’m pretty sure it’s a high devider between conservative and labour voters too.

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by satriales » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:55 pm



:lol:

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by Rex Kramer » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:01 pm

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:lol:

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by KK » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:25 pm

Had he said he'd just washed it I'd be more inclined to believe him. My hair goes from dark blonde (just washed) to brown (day later) to dark brown (3 days later). It just naturally changes colour for whatever reason.

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by Dual » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:47 pm

Hope he talks about this on LBC tonight. My new favourite thing to listen to when doing the washing up

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by Moggy » Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:39 pm

satriales wrote:

:lol:


It’s not as funny as that time he grew a moustache.

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by Squinty » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:23 pm

Paedotache Farage was the best Farage.

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by Cuttooth » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:46 pm

Superking wrote:
Garth wrote:There are also many more people going into higher education nowadays, which can play a part in shaping political opinions. We've gone from about 5% of young people going into higher education in the early 1960s, to about 15% through the 1970s-80s, growing to about 35% in the 90s, then increasing to around 50% currently.

The technology of today could have an influence too, with more of the population now communicating with people from other countries and cultures.


I’ve heard that in terms of the Brexit vote education was by the far the biggest dividing factor between leave and remain. I’m pretty sure it’s a high devider between conservative and labour voters too.


Yeah, although I don't know how they're graded and what the boundaries are.

I really wish pollsters would group the elderly better in this kinds of polls though. "65+" clumps together 90 year olds who may have served in the war, 80 year olds who grew up during the war, to baby boomers who were born over a decade after it ended!

It just mixes everyone deemed "of retirement age" as this single like-minded hive when it's a group of people who would have vastly different experiences and shaped differently during the most turbulent time in the 20th century. It's like saying 45 year olds have the same, general thoughts and beliefs as their millennial children.

I remember during the referendum a poll that broke that clump up a little and showed the progression to supporting leave as age increases up until people who were young adults during the second world war where it started to go back towards remain (can't remember figures, can't find poll). I don't know if that was a one off poll but that particular breakdown of the Brexit result is something I'd be interested to see.

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by Hyperion » Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:13 am


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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:08 pm



Jezza still doing well I see.

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by KK » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:43 pm

If you can’t capitalise on this government then I don’t know what to tell you. Lim Dems should be doing much better, though possibly indicates people don’t want another vote on Brexit (which is still their policy). To be behind “others” is very embarrassing. The Dems are also barely visible. Vince Cable is not inspiring to anybody.

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by DML » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:48 pm

If Brexit didn't exist, I think Labour would be steamrollering TBH, but if you're a hardcore Brexit supporter, you are absolutely going to vote Tory as they are the party of Brexit.

What it tells us is theres at least a hardcore 40% of Brexit support that seems pretty teflon, regardless of when the polls go up or down.

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by Moggy » Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:08 pm



:lol:

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by Tafdolphin » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:50 pm

European Parliament has rejected the controversial copyright reforms that would have potential ended the internet as we know it. Thank strawberry float.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44712475

Interesting to see who was backing the reforms, and why; some of the richest musicians in the world moaning about not getting paid enough.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by KK » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:24 pm

So who wants to set up a GoFundMe page for Paul McCartney.

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by Moggy » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:27 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:European Parliament has rejected the controversial copyright reforms that would have potential ended the internet as we know it. Thank strawberry float.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44712475

Interesting to see who was backing the reforms, and why; some of the richest musicians in the world moaning about not getting paid enough.


But we were told that the EU was a dictatorship and that the Commission had all the power? ;)

This was a strawberry floating terrible proposal. I am a supporter of the EU, but they really shat the bed with this idea.

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by Jenuall » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:27 pm

KK wrote:So who wants to set up a GoFundMe page for Paul McCartney.


Just call on me and I'll send it along.

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by KK » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:54 pm

The list is like a who's who of the same arseholes who since 1985 have wheeled themselves out on TV fundraisers telling us to donate while they sit on their billion dollars.

Before I even read the list, I immediately thought to myself 'I bet Bonor or Annie Flummox is on there'.

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