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by KK » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:57 pm

David Dimbleby is to leave Question Time after 25 years on the BBC's flagship political programme.

The presenter, who will leave the show at the end of the year, said it was "the right moment to leave".

The 79-year-old, who has chaired the show since 1994, insisted he was "not giving up broadcasting" but planned "to return to my first love: reporting".

BBC director general Tony Hall called him "a titan in British broadcasting" and a "champion of the public".

Dimbleby, who began his broadcasting career more than 57 years ago, is the longest-serving presenter of Question Time.

Newsnight presenter Kirsty Wark recently revealed she would be interested in taking over the role and would "throw her hat in the ring" when Dimbleby stepped down.

Other suggested contenders include John Humphrys, Huw Edwards, Jeremy Vine and Nick Robinson.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44513442

Can’t see Humphrys (too old), Vine (Channel 5, Points of View) or Nick Robinson (bigger workload after being unwell) getting it.

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by Lotus » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:00 pm

Someone like Kirsty Young might be good. God help us if it's any of those mentioned, the outrage will be unbearable.

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by Lagamorph » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:01 pm

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by KK » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:24 pm

A two fingered salute to those who always presume the press would just accept whatever the government comes out with.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:17 am

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by KK » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:28 am

If walking around JezFest is anything to go by, the Tories have little to fear

There was a tussle over the last cardamom flapjack at the cake stall, there was some bitterness from those who had paid the full £35 for a ticket while others got in for free – but there was one thing everyone at this nice middle-class festival in north London could agree on: the establishment was absolutely terrified of them.

“The establishment hate the idea we are coming together to talk about politics,” boomed the Unite general secretary, Len McCluskey, speaking at his party’s music and politics festival, Labour Live on Saturday, to an audience of largely white middle-class men clutching £4 beers. “I congratulate our leadership for having the bravery to put this on”.

“Look around you: we are some of the scariest people, we are feared by the establishment,” said a fellow panellist, the Labour MP Dawn Butler, before taking audience questions: a woman who pointed out that hers was the only foreign accent she had heard at the event so far, and a former councillor candidate who wanted specific mental health resources for “people who have stood in elections and failed to win”.

Meanwhile, McCluskey honed in on the source of the fear. “The Tories fear Corbyn,” he said. “If Brown or Blair were leading the party now, we’d have already had an election, because the establishment wouldn’t fear them.” This must be because Labour leaders who have made it to No 10 have historically been no threat to the establishment, no threat at all. After all, what could be more establishment than being prime minister?

Other groups afraid of the festival – which featured a performance of gentrification-themed spoken-word poetry – included a “sea of hostile media”, who were at that very moment raging against its audacity. Unless they were one of the panel speakers, of course, about a quarter of whom were journalists who work for the national media.

Meanwhile, headliners the Magic Numbers, known to your dad for their mellow love songs, made it clear their performance was one in the eye for the man, too. “This is our music; these are rebel songs,” a huge sign said behind them, as their gentle harmonies washed over a field of families digging out lunchtime Tupperware. “Are you in or out?”

In between events, buoyed by how livid they were making the powers that be, festival-goers defiantly browsed the stalls: stocking up on almond polenta cake, plastic bottles of wine (£20), and gift cards bearing the slogan “first tea then revolution”, while in the background a guitarist on the main stage sang about “kicking posh boys up the arse”.

But the main event - most terrifying of all to the establishment - was yet to come: the appearance of the great and powerful wizard himself. As the crowds gathered rapturously by the main stage, a full 40 minutes before his appearance, it became apparent the whole festival had been something of a warm-up act. First, some stirring songs and chants, then, a short film: Jeremy being applauded by thousands, Jeremy being adored by young female activists, Jeremy walking purposefully along the road to rap music. And finally, an introduction from the shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, explaining how annoyed the Daily Mail would be by all this. By the time the leader appeared, they were going absolutely ballistic.

And then he started to speak, and it suddenly became apparent why all day his supporters had been talking him up as a fearful threat to the

system. The man behind the curtain was no danger to anyone, but a muddled and feeble speaker – rambling in a strained, breathless fashion, in sentences such as this: “This is the first time a political party has ever organised something like this: bringing together music, poetry, creativity; bringing together the inspiration that is there in all of us, to learn from each other, and be strengthened, by that learning, from each other.”

Deprived of natural pauses, or sentences that felt like they had ended, the adoring crowds took to cheering whenever Corbyn happened to take a breath. Their leader’s presence was enough: they did not care what he said. But one suspects other voters will be more circumspect.

And this is the point. The festival was a show of Corbyn’s power among hardcore Labour supporters – in the event the party claimed some 13,000 of their 20,000 tickets were sold, despite predictions it would be a total failure. It is difficult to imagine another of the country’s political leaders drawing in such a crowd. But politics is about winning over people who do not already agree with you. And as far as this goes, the Tories shouldn’t be too afraid just yet.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... abour-live

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by captain red dog » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:37 am

That seems like an odd attack from the Guardian on the majority of their readership! :lol:

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by Tafdolphin » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:41 am

captain red dog wrote:That seems like an odd attack from the Guardian on the majority of their readership! :lol:


Nah, Guardian readers are Lib Dem or Green (myself among them). But still, if you're holding a 'stick it to the man' party and the Guardian gets its boot in, someone strawberry floated up

Owen Jones. It was Owen Jones who strawberry floated up.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Lex-Man » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:58 am

An event so left wing even the Guardian takes the piss.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Preezy » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:03 am

The whole thing sounded dreadful.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by KK » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:20 am

The parallels with a Donald Trump rally are stark (fanatical core base, manipulated crowd numbers, talking about a 'great movement' while poll numbers continue to sink, spewing propaganda while raging against "the media") but they just can't see it.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Hypes » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:17 pm

But which is better, JezFest or Tory Glastonbury??
And why don't the Lib Dems have a festival? :x

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by Garth » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:43 pm

UK economic growth to hit weakest level since 2009 — BCC
Business group also warns on ‘historically low household savings and high debt levels’

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The British Chambers of Commerce has cut its UK growth forecast for 2018, warning the economy faces its weakest year since the financial crisis.

The employers' group forecast 2018 GDP growth of 1.3%, down from a previous forecast of 1.4%, and cut its forecast for 2019 from 1.5% to 1.4%.

The BCC said there was a "lacklustre outlook" for consumer spending, business investment and trade.

It said the next few years will "be a testing time for business in the UK".

Uncertainties around Brexit, interest rate rises, threats of trade wars and rising oil prices were all hurting sentiment, the BCC said.

If the forecast for this year is realised it "will be the weakest calendar year growth since 2009, when the economy was in the throes of the global financial crisis", the BCC said.

It added: "The BCC urges the government to focus as much as possible on the domestic business environment, reducing the uncertainty that firms face, and take action on skills shortages and poor mobile connectivity, which lower productivity and hold UK businesses back."

The group's director-general, Adam Marshall, said: "A decade on from the start of the financial crisis, the UK now faces another extended period of weak growth amidst a backdrop of both domestic and global uncertainty.

"Our forecast should serve as a wake-up call to government - as it demonstrates that 'business as usual' is not an option when it comes to the economy."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44502979

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Garth » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:15 pm

Tax rise to pay for NHS boost - Hunt

Tax rises will be needed to pay for the boost in NHS funding announced by the government, the health secretary says.

Jeremy Hunt said there would have to be an "increased burden of taxation" to fund the 3.4% average annual rises in NHS England's budget over five years.

The rise means spending will be £20bn higher by 2023, with Mr Hunt saying tax will be used alongside any savings from Brexit and economic growth.

Speaking to the BBC, Mr Hunt said the "exact details" of how the increase would be funded "will be announced in the budget".

But he said it had been agreed on the basis that funding would come from three sources - Brexit, economic growth and the taxation system.

Mr Hunt did not spell out what that could mean for taxes - but to increase the burden of taxation governments can increase tax rates, extend what is included in taxes, such as increasing the goods and services VAT is applied to, or change the thresholds at which tax is charged.

Referring to Brexit, Mr Hunt said: "We won't be paying subscriptions to Brussels... but that alone won't be anything like enough."

Paul Johnson, director of economic think-tank the Institute for Fiscal Studies, said the only way the rise could be paid for was by an increase in taxes.

He said the financial settlement with the EU, plus the UK's commitments to replace EU funding, "already uses up all of our EU contributions" for the next few years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44516123

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Winckle » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:16 pm

Maybe they could reverse the cuts to corporation tax?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:26 pm

Winckle wrote:Maybe they could reverse the cuts to corporation tax?


They won’t need to with the Brexit dividend, that’ll pay for the NHS, road repairs, unicorns and extra police officers.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Hypes » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:45 pm

They'll just use the magic money tree

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:34 pm

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by satriales » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:46 pm

Earlier today Theresa May refused to discuss changing the laws regarding medicinal cannabis, despite allowing an exception for that one case that got press coverage. It turns out her husband is the biggest investor in a company that produces cannabis. #conflictofinterest

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by KK » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:59 pm

May and Hunt today have both said a review into its use is now needed, though one hasn’t been officially announced yet.

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