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by Squinty » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:17 pm

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How does someone who probably has access to the finest tailors in Britain manage to look so utterly ridiculous in a suit?


It's like his belly is huge in comparison to his frame, when it evidently isn't. Weird.

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by Preezy » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:23 pm

I guess the worry for Labour is that Rees-Moggy is actually a very capable politician, if he got the top Tory job they'd become far more effective in carrying out their mandate.

A bit like wanting Trump out. You'd be rid of the idiot, but Pence would actually make things happen.

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by Winckle » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:30 pm

Vermilion wrote:
Remi Dong wrote:
Hyperion wrote:You do realise Vermilion is the human embodiment of the Daily Mail?

That's perhaps not the best way to encourage dialogue, but OK.


Yeah, that's ridiculously harsh, especially since i voted Labour at the 2010 & 2015 elections.

As far as i'm concerned, the biggest problem with politics today is that everyone seems to have completely lost their minds, doesn't matter whether it's right wing tories or left wing labour, both sides of the political spectrum are a joke.

That said though, i particularly cannot stand the current Labour leadership or the cult of personality which surrounds Corbyn, and as a result, i (with regret) still would rather have the incompetent and useless Maybot in charge of things rather than allow that rabble anywhere near high office.

I just hope that sometime soon, a decent credible politican with a strong and likable team will come along and sweep the current disaster zone away.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:32 pm

Preezy wrote:I guess the worry for Labour is that Rees-Moggy is actually a very capable politician, if he got the top Tory job they'd become far more effective in carrying out their mandate.

A bit like wanting Trump out. You'd be rid of the idiot, but Pence would actually make things happen.


Pence I somewhat agree with. He’s not all that intelligent but compared to Trump he is strawberry floating Einstein.

What makes you think Rees-Mogg is a capable politician though? Other than the posh voice and 18th century mannerisms?

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by Preezy » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:33 pm

Moggy wrote:What makes you think Rees-Mogg is a capable politician though? Other than the posh voice and 18th century mannerisms?

I'm pretty much basing it all on this :slol:

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by Rex Kramer » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:40 pm

I'm not sure Rees-Mogg actually wants the job, I think he prefers to disrupt/steer from the back benches and avoid having to take responsibility for his actions.

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by Moggy » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:41 pm

Preezy wrote:
Moggy wrote:What makes you think Rees-Mogg is a capable politician though? Other than the posh voice and 18th century mannerisms?

I'm pretty much basing it all on this :slol:


Which is what way too many people are doing. If people just read transcripts of what he says, they would realise that he is an absolute strawberry floating idiot. The posh voice just makes us plebs think he is better than us.

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by BID0 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:42 pm

Yeh he is just in this for the money. You can't do that as effectively in the PM role.

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by Winckle » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:43 pm

Vermilion wrote:
Remi Dong wrote:
Hyperion wrote:You do realise Vermilion is the human embodiment of the Daily Mail?

That's perhaps not the best way to encourage dialogue, but OK.


Yeah, that's ridiculously harsh, especially since i voted Labour at the 2010 & 2015 elections.

As far as i'm concerned, the biggest problem with politics today is that everyone seems to have completely lost their minds, doesn't matter whether it's right wing tories or left wing labour, both sides of the political spectrum are a joke.

That said though, i particularly cannot stand the current Labour leadership or the cult of personality which surrounds Corbyn, and as a result, i (with regret) still would rather have the incompetent and useless Maybot in charge of things rather than allow that rabble anywhere near high office.

I just hope that sometime soon, a decent credible politican with a strong and likable team will come along and sweep the current disaster zone away.

Oh also, can you read my post a few pages back, I tried to explain why the left wing of Labour is so focussed on holding onto the leadership via Corbyn. Spoiler : It's not because we decided a mild mannered older man is the messiah.

Winckle wrote:Corbyn isn't that far left. For me the important thing is getting the party's executive committee under the control of those on the left, and then altering the leadership rules to allow a candidate to be nominated with 5% of MPs rather than 10%.

People often think that the left wing membership is a "cult of Corbyn", and that might be true of some, but the reason most of us don't want Corbyn to stand down and trigger a leadership contest is that the PLP will likely lock out any left wing MP from getting 10% nominations, and not give the membership a choice of a left wing candidate.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:43 pm

Rex Kramer wrote:I'm not sure Rees-Mogg actually wants the job, I think he prefers to disrupt/steer from the back benches and avoid having to take responsibility for his actions.


I think that’s similar to what we all said about Trump. “He doesn’t want to be President, he is just looking for publicity”.

I think Rees-Mogg desperately wants to be PM. Maybe not at the moment, but it is definitely something he wants in the next 5 to 10 years.

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by Knoyleo » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:43 pm

Moggy wrote:
Preezy wrote:
Moggy wrote:What makes you think Rees-Mogg is a capable politician though? Other than the posh voice and 18th century mannerisms?

I'm pretty much basing it all on this :slol:


Which is what way too many people are doing. If people just read transcripts of what he says, they would realise that he is an absolute strawberry floating idiot. The posh voice just makes us plebs think he is better than us.

And if people look at his voting record, they can see he's an abhorrent monster.

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by That » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:45 pm

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Karl wrote:I am sure both Lib Dem MPs and all ten members are working really hard on a master plan to sweep to government. Once they've sorted that out I'll absolutely support them in electoral reform. Until then though I will vote Labour in my Labour vs. Tory constituency based on more immediate issues, such as "I hope my European partner doesn't get deported", "I hope the hospital is still there if I need to use it one day", and "I hope there will be a decent school for my hypothetical future kids to go to".


I'm not arguing against your decision, I just don't agree with the idea that it is pointless to vote for a third party in a seat that has the vote mainly split between Labour and the Conservatives. The wasted vote argument is self-perpetuating and there are recent past examples of a third party suddenly winning a seat that was considered a two way contest - and if you look abroad you can see examples of entirely new parties coming into power in a similar fashion.

That might be a little tangential to the point you were making with your post, I just get my back up whenever I'm reminded we still have FPTP!

That's completely understandable. It is certainly frustrating not living in a functioning democracy.

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by BID0 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:46 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Preezy wrote:
Moggy wrote:What makes you think Rees-Mogg is a capable politician though? Other than the posh voice and 18th century mannerisms?

I'm pretty much basing it all on this :slol:


Which is what way too many people are doing. If people just read transcripts of what he says, they would realise that he is an absolute strawberry floating idiot. The posh voice just makes us plebs think he is better than us.

And if people look at his voting record, they can see he's an abhorrent monster.

For anyone who wants to check his voting record: https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24926 ... t_somerset

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by Moggy » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:46 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Preezy wrote:
Moggy wrote:What makes you think Rees-Mogg is a capable politician though? Other than the posh voice and 18th century mannerisms?

I'm pretty much basing it all on this :slol:


Which is what way too many people are doing. If people just read transcripts of what he says, they would realise that he is an absolute strawberry floating idiot. The posh voice just makes us plebs think he is better than us.

And if people look at his voting record, they can see he's an abhorrent monster.


That’s unfair on abhorrent monsters. Monsters actually have principles.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:48 pm

BID0 wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Preezy wrote:
Moggy wrote:What makes you think Rees-Mogg is a capable politician though? Other than the posh voice and 18th century mannerisms?

I'm pretty much basing it all on this :slol:


Which is what way too many people are doing. If people just read transcripts of what he says, they would realise that he is an absolute strawberry floating idiot. The posh voice just makes us plebs think he is better than us.

And if people look at his voting record, they can see he's an abhorrent monster.

For anyone who wants to check his voting record: https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24926 ... t_somerset


And you can then cross check his voting record and views against his personal investment record (Brexit, Abortion) to see what a hypocritical banana split he is.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 61021.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 76386.html

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by BID0 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:52 pm

Moggy wrote:
BID0 wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Preezy wrote:
Moggy wrote:What makes you think Rees-Mogg is a capable politician though? Other than the posh voice and 18th century mannerisms?

I'm pretty much basing it all on this :slol:


Which is what way too many people are doing. If people just read transcripts of what he says, they would realise that he is an absolute strawberry floating idiot. The posh voice just makes us plebs think he is better than us.

And if people look at his voting record, they can see he's an abhorrent monster.

For anyone who wants to check his voting record: https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24926 ... t_somerset


And you can then cross check his voting record and views against his personal investment record (Brexit, Abortion) to see what a hypocritical banana split he is.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 61021.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 76386.html

I didn't know about the abortion pills :fp: what an absolute banana split :x it's awful seeing him put up as some kind of diety in comments sections online. I suspect a lot of them are actually troll/bot farms as the content and the profiles match that kind of thing

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Preezy » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:01 pm

BID0 wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Preezy wrote:
Moggy wrote:What makes you think Rees-Mogg is a capable politician though? Other than the posh voice and 18th century mannerisms?

I'm pretty much basing it all on this :slol:


Which is what way too many people are doing. If people just read transcripts of what he says, they would realise that he is an absolute strawberry floating idiot. The posh voice just makes us plebs think he is better than us.

And if people look at his voting record, they can see he's an abhorrent monster.

For anyone who wants to check his voting record: https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24926 ... t_somerset

Yikes :dread:

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by KK » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:25 pm

Still rumbling on tonight...

A Jewish Labour MP has said the moment she found out she faced investigation for confronting Jeremy Corbyn over anti-Semitism made her think about "what it felt like to be a Jew in Germany in the 30s".

Former minister Margaret Hodge, who faced disciplinary action for calling the Labour leader an anti-Semite, told Sky News "it felt almost as if they were coming for me".

"It's rather difficult to define but there's that fear and it reminded me of what my dad used to say," Ms Hodge said in her first major interview since the investigation was dropped.

"He always said to me as a child: 'You've got to keep a packed suitcase at the door Margaret, in case you ever have got to leave in a hurry.'

"And when I heard about the disciplinary, my emotional response resonated with that feeling of fear, that clearly was at the heart of what my father felt when he came to Britain."

A Labour spokesperson said Mr Corbyn is "determined to tackle antisemitism" and that the Nazi Germany comparison "is so extreme and disconnected from reality, it diminishes the seriousness of the issue..."

Ms Hodge, who was born in Egypt after her parents fled Nazi Germany, said that she was a secular Jew, but that her religious background is "what defines me".

She said the action against her felt like "bullying" and that there was a concerted "purge of people who disagree with Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters".

On anti-Semitism in the Labour Party, Ms Hodge added she had "never seen it like this" - and warned against the "cult of Corbyn".

"I think it's a bit scary," she said from her north London home.

"We've got the growth of populism, whether it's Trump, whether it's Boris Johnson, and now whether it's the cult of Corbynism which allows these attitudes to emerge. That's what scares me.

The rest: https://news.sky.com/story/margaret-hod ... y-11474295

Labour antisemitism row continues: Unite boss accuses Jewish leaders of 'truculent hostility'

Len McCluskey has accused Jewish leaders of showing “truculent hostility” towards Labour, as he called for the party to draw a line under the antisemitism row by adopting the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance guidelines in full.

The Unite general secretary’s backing for the full IHRA definition, with all its examples, in Labour’s new code of conduct, will tip the balance on the party’s national executive committee, which is due to discuss the issue at its next meeting on 4 September.

“Clearly, it would have been far better for the party to have adopted at least 10 of the 11 IHRA examples in their original wording,” McCluskey wrote in an article for the Huffington Post.

“Not doing so – and particularly without adequate consultation – was insensitive and bound to lead to misunderstanding, and also served to distract attention from the real issues at stake. It would be for the best if all 11 were now agreed, so the party can move on,” he went on.

McCluskey also lashed out at the response of the Jewish community in recent months, accusing them of “refusing to take ‘yes’ for an answer”, as he listed a series of commitments made by Corbyn in tackling antisemitism.

“I therefore appeal to the leadership of the Jewish community to abandon their truculent hostility, engage in dialogue and dial down the rhetoric, before the political estrangement between them and the Labour party becomes entrenched,” he says.

The rest: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -hostility

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Garth » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:13 am

I'm all for cracking down on antisemitism but that's frankly a ridiculous comparison from Hodge.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Skarjo » Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:00 am

Agreed, what an absolutely strawberry floating ridiculous thing to say.

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