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by Hypes » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:59 am

Wow, all aboard the hyperbole train

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by Moggy » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:03 am

Years ago my neighbours were doing some work in the garden and ended up laying a new patio. It makes me feel how it must have been for the neighbours of Fred and Rose.

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by Hypes » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:10 am

I had my breakfast late this morning so was a little hungry before, and it made me feel how it must have been in the 1983-85 Ethiopian famine.

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by Moggy » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:12 am

I stubbed my toe yesterday and it made me feel how it must have been for all of the Paralympians.

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by KK » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:05 am

YouGov wrote:Only a quarter of Brits say they are following the Jeremy Corbyn wreath-laying story either “very closely” (6%) or “fairly closely” (20%). A further 22% say they are not following the story very closely, while 27% are aware of the story but not following it. A quarter (26%) are not aware of the stories in the first place.

A plurality of those aware of the story (44%) believe that Corbyn in fact probably did take part in the wreath-laying ceremony. Only a quarter (25%) think that he probably did not, with the remaining 31% unsure.

Mirroring this, 44% of those aware of the story believe that Corbyn has not given an honest account of his attendance at the memorial ceremony, compared to 21% who think he did and 34% who don’t know.

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Labour voters are more likely to disbelieve the allegations, with 44% saying he probably did not take part and 42% saying he has been honest. By contrast, 69% of Conservative voters think Corbyn took part and 71% think he has been dishonest.

The public are slightly more split on a related perennial issue affecting Corbyn – that he is too friendly towards groups that have been involved in terrorism. Corbyn has always countered that it is important to speak to certain figures in order to open a dialogue for finding a peaceful solution. With these points put to the public, 38% consider criticism levelled at the Labour leader to be fair, while 29% feel it is unfair. The remaining 33% don’t know.

How opinion has changed

Among those who are aware of the stories, most haven’t changed their opinions of the Labour leader. Close to half (47%) say that they already had a negative opinion of Corbyn and still do, while 21% say they already had a positive opinion of Jeremy Corbyn and that remains the case.

Only 19% of people say their view of the leader of the opposition has shifted as a result of the controversy: 16% say it makes them think worse of him while 3% say it has improved his standing in their eyes.

The negative impact on Labour voters is less than it is on other sections of the population. For instance, only 13% of 2017 Labour voters say they think worse of Corbyn as a result of the news stories, compared to 20% of Conservative voters and 23% of Lib Dems. By contrast, 46% of Labour voters say that the scandal has made no difference to their already positive opinion of the party leader.

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Corbyn has also experienced a fall in his leadership rating. YouGov’s tracker asking whether people think he is doing well or badly as Labour leader has fallen from 27% saying he was doing well in late July to 20% now. Likewise, the proportion saying he is doing badly has risen from 59% to 65%. Among those who voted Labour in 2017, the "well" figure has fallen from 53% to 44%, and the "badly" figure has risen from 37% to 45%.

It is worth noting, however, that it is not possible to see how much of this change is down to the wreath-laying controversy itself and how much might be down to other factors e.g. the earlier anti-Semitism arguing.

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by Errkal » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:17 pm

wait 44% of labour voters thing he didn't take part despite the photos of him taking part?

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by Hypes » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:37 pm

The question in the survey is "took part in laying a wreath on the graves of those responsible for organising the killings at the 1972 Olympics" so it's presumably the second part they don't think he took part in

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by Irene Demova » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:10 pm

Should have asked how many people thought Black September were justified tbh, it would have at least been fun

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by Moggy » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:15 pm

Irene Demova wrote:Should have asked how many people thought Black September were justified tbh, it would have at least been fun


“strawberry floating Christmas shopping gets earlier and earlier. Was bad enough when it was just one Friday, now Corbyn is celebrating it being a whole month???!!!!”

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by Garth » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:29 pm

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A Jewish Labour MP has said the moment she found out she faced investigation for confronting Jeremy Corbyn over anti-Semitism made her think about "what it felt like to be a Jew in Germany in the 30s".

Did the BBC cover this today? Can't find it on their site.

Edit: it wasn't on BBC News on TV either. What's changed? They were all over the Labour antisemitism row.

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by Meep » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:10 pm

After hearing the full details of the wreath incident I am kind of disgusted at the press for distorting the facts so deliberately. I hope Labour are successful with their complaint.

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by KK » Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:23 am

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A Jewish Labour MP has said the moment she found out she faced investigation for confronting Jeremy Corbyn over anti-Semitism made her think about "what it felt like to be a Jew in Germany in the 30s".

Did the BBC cover this today? Can't find it on their site.

Edit: it wasn't on BBC News on TV either. What's changed? They were all over the Labour antisemitism row.

Seen as a Sky News exclusive interview not worthy of another day’s coverage, would be my presumption. It doesn’t add anything new to something that has already dominated the news agenda day after day.

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by Lagamorph » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:29 am

twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1030561819159666691



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by Moggy » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:32 am

Lagamorph wrote:

twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1030561819159666691



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8th time lucky eh Nige?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Squinty » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:36 am

strawberry float off Nigel you utter prick.

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by Rex Kramer » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:43 am

Vlad's cheque must have cleared then.

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by KK » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:26 pm

Don’t worry everyone, anti-semitism is back on the BBC News homepage after a 1 day hiatus:

The former MP for Paisley and Renfrewshire North Jim Sheridan has been suspended by the Labour Party.

The move followed posts Mr Sheridan was alleged to have been responsible for on social media regarding the party and the Jewish community.

Mr Sheridan lost his parliamentary seat in the 2015 General Election.

The Labour Party has said it cannot comment on individual cases, but that complaints of anti-Semitism are all "fully investigated".

A statement from the party said: "The Labour Party takes all complaints of anti-Semitism extremely seriously and we are committed to challenging and campaigning against it in all its forms.

"All complaints about anti-Semitism are fully investigated in line with our rules and procedures and any appropriate disciplinary action is taken."

A post on Facebook - which appears to be no longer available - spoke of his loss of "respect and empathy" for the Jewish community amid the row about anti-Semitism.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... s-45232652

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:36 am

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Vermilion » Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:39 am

It would have just been a serious news article too had it not been for THAT pic.

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by Tafdolphin » Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:57 am

He's going to end up as PM isn't he? I'd sort of blocked all suspicion along those lines, or at least my subconscious had, but there's a real sense now that the hardliners are lining up behind him, shoring up his position as a valid far-right alternative to May.

Urgh.

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