Politics Thread 5

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by Moggy » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:32 pm

Jenuall wrote:Glad they've caught that person, but sadly there are many more like him out there.

It's pretty horrifying to think that I'm sat in 2018 UK and pretty much expect that we'll see more MP's subjected to physical violence and potentially murdered as a result of Brexit. :dread:


Yep.

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by Squinty » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:35 pm

It's the will of the people.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Jenuall » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:39 pm

State of the comments on that tweet. :fp:

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by KK » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:36 pm

Guardian wrote:More than 2,300 visa applications by doctors looking to work in the UK have been refused in five months, official figures show.

There were 3,597 requests from doctors for tier 2 visas between 6 November and 5 April, but only 34% were successful.

The figures, obtained by the law firm Eversheds Sutherland through a freedom of information (FOI) request, come after the home secretary, Sajid Javid, said he was “taking a fresh look” at the cap on skilled migrants.

The NHS has warned the limit is exacerbating staff shortages as hospitals struggle to cope with record demand. The health secretary, Jeremy Hunt, has also lobbied for it to be lifted.

In the period covered by the FOI request, 2,360 visa applications by doctors from outside the European Economic Area were denied. The chances of success were more remote for junior doctors. While 90 of 97 applications by consultants were successful, among registrars, only 733 out of 2,341 (31%) were granted a visa.

Doctors fared worse than the average applicant for a tier 2 visa. In total, there were 18,517 applications during the five months, of which 8,330 (45%) were successful.

Danny Mortimer, the chief executive of NHS Employers, welcomed the prospect of a review of the tier 2 visa system, but said “a speedy, effective solution is urgently needed to clear the backlog” with the August intake and changeover period for many trainee doctors approaching.

NHSE said many of its employers could not obtain certificates of sponsorship for doctors during May.

Last week, Global Future, a thinktank, said hospitals need as many as 3,500 additional doctors a year to help address shortages unless they are removed from the skilled worker visa cap.

It found one in 11 health service posts were unfilled and – because demand is increasing – thousands more doctors and nurses will have to be recruited in the next 10 years.

The 20,700 annual limit for the tier 2 visa was introduced by Theresa May in 2011 when she was home secretary.

Last month, it was reported that the prime minister was blocking requests by at least three government departments to lift visa quotas temporarily to allow more overseas doctors to come to Britain to fill NHS staff shortages.

A British Medical Association spokesman said: “These figures demonstrate that the tier 2 visa cap is resulting in thousands of highly trained, experienced doctors being blocked from taking up empty posts in the health service that the NHS is unable to fill.

“This is a situation that we can ill afford at a time when the NHS is under unsustainable pressure from rising demand, stagnating budgets and widespread staff shortages.”

After Javid’s comments on Sunday, a No 10 source said the policy was under review.

Responding to the latest figures, the Home Office referred the Guardian to comments made by the immigration minister, Caroline Nokes, in the House of Commons on Monday.

“We keep the tier 2 cap under close review. Priority is given to doctors working in shortage specialisms, as determined by the migration advisory committee, and no one has ever been refused for any of those posts,” she said.

“We have taken steps to boost training places for nurses and doctors, and a record number of undergraduates will begin medical training by 2020, with 1,500 new places.”

Not sure what May is playing at here, as the general public is in favour of more staff for the NHS (and of student/university visas). Her rigidness to everything is infuriating.

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by KK » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:56 am

Lead story on the Daily Mail this morning:

Fury as Prince Edward takes '£37,000' taxpayer-funded private jet for 133-mile trip between engagements (when the train would have cost £250)

- Queen's youngest son travelled between Tamworth, Staffs, and Poole, Dorset
- Normal hire cost of plane for this distance would be £37,150 for a one-way trip
- Anti-monarchy campaign group blasted Earl of Wessex for 'extravagance'
- Company used to hire Edward's jet says trip is between £10,000 and £45,000

Edward was last night slammed for a 'blatant abuse of public money' after taking a private jet costing taxpayers an estimated £37,000 for a 133-mile journey between engagements.

The Queen's youngest scrounger, 54, travelled between Poole in Dorset and Tamworth, Staffordshire, to attend an event yesterday marking the death 1,100 years ago of Anglo-Saxon ruler Aethelflaed.

The normal hire cost of the plane to do the journey between airports in Dorset and Birmingham would be £37,150 for a one-way trip. A first-class train ticket would have cost around £250-per-person.

Last night Graham Smith from anti-monarchy campaign group Republic blasted The Earl of Wessex's 'extravagance' with public funds.

He told MailOnline: 'This is a blatant abuse of public money. If that were an MP they'd be in serious hot water.

'We need to look more seriously at the extravagance of the royals. He should be taking public transport or cars at a fraction of the cost.'

It’s turning into an expensive year...

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by Moggy » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:58 am

Company used to hire Edward's jet says trip is between £10,000 and £45,000


So it was £45k then. :lol:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Winckle » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:40 am

We could have saved a lot of money if we'd have used guillotines around the same time the French did.

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by Moggy » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:43 am

Winckle wrote:We could have saved a lot of money if we'd have used guillotines around the same time the French did.


You want to spent money on building a guillotine when a cheap rope and a tree branch would do the same job?

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by Winckle » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:45 am

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Winckle wrote:We could have saved a lot of money if we'd have used guillotines around the same time the French did.


You want to spent money on building a guillotine when a cheap rope and a tree branch would do the same job?

It's a matter of efficiency. Why won't you support investment in UK infrastructure. :x

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by Moggy » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:50 am

Winckle wrote:
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Winckle wrote:We could have saved a lot of money if we'd have used guillotines around the same time the French did.


You want to spent money on building a guillotine when a cheap rope and a tree branch would do the same job?

It's a matter of efficiency. Why won't you support investment in UK infrastructure. :x


You are just wasting money on FRENCH ideas.

What’s wrong with a good old fashioned TRADITIONAL BRITISH hanging? :x

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by Hyperion » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:00 am

Moggy wrote:
Winckle wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Winckle wrote:We could have saved a lot of money if we'd have used guillotines around the same time the French did.


You want to spent money on building a guillotine when a cheap rope and a tree branch would do the same job?

It's a matter of efficiency. Why won't you support investment in UK infrastructure. :x


You are just wasting money on FRENCH ideas.

What’s wrong with a good old fashioned TRADITIONAL BRITISH hanging? :x


The French COPIED the BRITISH-MADE HALIFAX GIBBET. This is why we're LEAVING the EU. So we can SELL our GLORIOUS EXECUTION MACHINES around the WORLD, without UNELECTED SOCIALIST BUREAUCRATS STEALING OUR SPECTACULAR CAPITALIST IDEAS.
You'd know that if you were A TRUE PATRIOT :x

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by Moggy » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:06 am

Hyperion wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Winckle wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Winckle wrote:We could have saved a lot of money if we'd have used guillotines around the same time the French did.


You want to spent money on building a guillotine when a cheap rope and a tree branch would do the same job?

It's a matter of efficiency. Why won't you support investment in UK infrastructure. :x


You are just wasting money on FRENCH ideas.

What’s wrong with a good old fashioned TRADITIONAL BRITISH hanging? :x


The French COPIED the BRITISH-MADE HALIFAX GIBBET. This is why we're LEAVING the EU. So we can SELL our GLORIOUS EXECUTION MACHINES around the WORLD, without UNELECTED SOCIALIST BUREAUCRATS STEALING OUR SPECTACULAR CAPITALIST IDEAS.
You'd know that if you were A TRUE PATRIOT :x


Halifax is northern. Basically Scottish.

Support English ingenuity you monster. :x

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by <]:^D » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:53 pm

:lol:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:56 pm

I’m not a Corbyn fan, but strawberry float me this is a great question. :lol:


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by Karl » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:02 pm

Savage. :lol:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:06 pm

Karl wrote:Savage. :lol:


And Boris there just pissing himself knowing that May can’t do anything to him. :lol:

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by Rex Kramer » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:33 pm

Maggie would have turned around and impaled him with just a glance. May is without doubt the worst prime minister this country has had. Coupled with it being the time when we need the best.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by KK » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:37 pm

It doesn't help that so many people in her cabinet and party are intentionally undermining her at every given opportunity. She's in an impossible situation and I have some sympathy. I don't know what she's supposed to do when there are two factions within the Tories pulling in two completely different directions.

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by Errkal » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:40 pm

KK wrote:It doesn't help that so many people in her cabinet and party are intentionally undermining her at every given opportunity. She's in an impossible situation and I have some sympathy. I don't know what she's supposed to do when there are two factions within the Tories pulling in two completely different directions.

Pick a side and lay a smackdown on the other rather than try and do both?

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by Moggy » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:43 pm

Errkal wrote:
KK wrote:It doesn't help that so many people in her cabinet and party are intentionally undermining her at every given opportunity. She's in an impossible situation and I have some sympathy. I don't know what she's supposed to do when there are two factions within the Tories pulling in two completely different directions.

Pick a side and lay a smackdown on the other rather than try and do both?


She wanted the job and she knew what the divisions were. She’s done next to nothing to reconcile the centre-left and centre wings of the Tories.

Plus she’s an appallingly bad leader. A piss poor politician that had an overinflated opinion of herself and got the top job by default.

I have zero sympathy.


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