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by Karl » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:47 pm

She's also literally an evil hard-religious nutjob, so don't forget that.

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by satriales » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:49 pm

I'm pretty sure Corbyn got a new question writer about a month ago. The last few PMQs have had a few zingers! :lol:

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by Moggy » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:55 pm

Karl wrote:She's also literally an evil hard-religious nutjob, so don't forget that.


She literally owns a portal to hell.

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by Moggy » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:56 pm

Moggy wrote:I’m not a Corbyn fan, but strawberry float me this is a great question. :lol:



Quoted for new page. :lol:

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by Karl » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:01 pm

Moggy wrote:
Karl wrote:She's also literally an evil hard-religious nutjob, so don't forget that.


She literally owns a portal to hell.


If anyone in our government were actually a horror from beyond the stars, or possessed by the freezing hunger of the void, it would be May.

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by Rex Kramer » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:02 pm

KK wrote:It doesn't help that so many people in her cabinet and party are intentionally undermining her at every given opportunity. She's in an impossible situation and I have some sympathy. I don't know what she's supposed to do when there are two factions within the Tories pulling in two completely different directions.

She should publicly humiliate Boris. That would send a message pretty quickly. But she won't because she's scared and useless.

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by Rex Kramer » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:02 pm

Karl wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Karl wrote:She's also literally an evil hard-religious nutjob, so don't forget that.


She literally owns a portal to hell.


If anyone in our government were actually a horror from beyond the stars, or possessed by the freezing hunger of the void, it would be May.

I can't quite square someone who may actually be a demon from another dimension with someone frightened of strawberry floating off Boris Johnson.

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by Hyperion » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:27 pm

Moggy wrote:
Moggy wrote:I’m not a Corbyn fan, but strawberry float me this is a great question. :lol:



Quoted for new page. :lol:

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by Vermilion » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:43 pm

Rex Kramer wrote:May is without doubt the worst prime minister this country has had.


No, that was Cameron, May was given the unenviable task of being left to clean up his mess.

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by Moggy » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:46 pm

Vermilion wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:May is without doubt the worst prime minister this country has had.


No, that was Cameron, May was given the unenviable task of being left to clean up his mess.


Cameron was a fool but wasn’t this useless. May is just calamity after calamity. I didn’t think much of his abilities but I never thought him as incompetent as May appears to be.

She had a hard job after Cameron’s stupid referendum, but she shows no leadership at all.

I wouldn’t say she’s the worst ever (she’s not finished yet) but she’s comfortably the worst in my lifetime.

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by Rex Kramer » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:51 pm

Vermilion wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:May is without doubt the worst prime minister this country has had.


No, that was Cameron, May was given the unenviable task of being left to clean up his mess.

She might have been dealt a duff hand but unfortunately she plays cards like Bill S Preston esq.

She lurches from one catastrophe to another and about 50% are of her own making.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by satriales » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:03 pm

Just yesterday May lied to 12 of her own MPs just to get them to vote with her. You can't say she doesn't bring it on herself.

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by KK » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:57 pm

- Press notes

The Sun is to increase its price of the paper on Sunday to £1.20, with retailers now receiving 25.2p per copy – and an extra 2.1p for every copy sold.

News UK has announced that the price rise on The Sun on Sunday will come into effect from 17 June 2018.

Man, that’s steep. The Saturday edition with TV guide is 70p.

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by Tafdolphin » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:04 pm

Moggy wrote:
Vermilion wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:May is without doubt the worst prime minister this country has had.


No, that was Cameron, May was given the unenviable task of being left to clean up his mess.


Cameron was a fool but wasn’t this useless. May is just calamity after calamity. I didn’t think much of his abilities but I never thought him as incompetent as May appears to be.

She had a hard job after Cameron’s stupid referendum, but she shows no leadership at all.

I wouldn’t say she’s the worst ever (she’s not finished yet) but she’s comfortably the worst in my lifetime.


Cameron and Osbourne were shitheels of the highest order but they had a philosophy and enacted it. It was an awful, awful philosophy, and Cameron deserves to go down in history as the real architect of our post-Brexit nation, but they were competent politicians, mostly.

May is a second stringer who was probably stretching her abilities as a minister. As PM she's utterly out of her depth. As far as I can see, we may as well not have a PM at the moment. The Tory party has devolved into a number of warring cabals, no decisions are being taken on anything substantial for fear any actual stance would topple the leadership and she simply isn't enough of a leader to stop her ministers openly fighting.

I can't comment on ever, I don't have that sort of political history in me, but as moggy says she's the worst in our lifetimes and probably the worst since WWII.

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by KK » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:06 pm

Paul Dacre has said any change to the Daily Mail’s support for Brexit after his departure as editor later this year would be “editorial and commercial suicide”.

In his first public words since he announced last week that he will step down from his role after 26 years, Dacre said he had heard from “countless” readers worried about whether the Daily Mail will continue to support EU withdrawal.

Questions had been raised over whether the newspaper’s stance on Brexit would change once Remain-supporting Mail on Sunday editor Geordie Greig takes charge in the autumn.

Writing for the Spectator’s Diary feature this week, Dacre said: “My answer to them – and others – is unequivocal.

“Support for Brexit is in the DNA of both the Daily Mail and, more pertinently, its readers. Any move to reverse this would be editorial and commercial suicide.”

Dacre revealed that he received “many lovely letters from public figures” in the past week, the warmest coming from former Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Labour peer Lord Blunkett.

He also said: “I thank my stars for a career that’s been enthralling, privileged and profoundly fulfilling.”

Dacre noted the mixed reaction to his departure, saying: “It seems I’m a somewhat divisive character…”

Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee last week described Dacre as “poisoner of the national psyche, bully-in-chief, whose iron whim has terrified prime ministers for a quarter of a century”.

In response, former Observer editor Roger Alton wrote to the Guardian to defend Dacre, calling him a “very great man and a newspaperman of genius”.

Dacre also responded to Mail on Sunday columnist Rachel Johnson’s appearance on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme “rejoicing that the future Mail will be less inflammatory and more inclusive”.

He wrote: “If calling five racist London thugs ‘Murderers’ on the front page or carrying a picture of a swimming sea turtle swallowing a plastic supermarket bag is inflammatory, I plead guilty.”

He also listed a number of other Mail campaigns that have “given voice to the voiceless” including justice for the Omagh bomb victims, the release of Shaker Aamer from Guantanamo and sanctuary for the army’s Afghan interpreters.

“As for the other ‘i’ word, one of the main reasons Britain voted Brexit was the refusal by our ruling class, led by the BBC, to allow a mature debate on mass immigration which has nothing to do with race and everything to do with numbers,” Dacre added.

“If the Mail promoted that debate and helped prevent the rise here of the kind of ugly right-wing political movements now festering across the EU, then I suffer my critics’ obloquy with pride.”


Dacre will become chairman and editor-in-chief of Associated Newspapers, publisher of the Daily Mail, Mail on Sunday and Metro newspapers and Mail Online website, from 1 October this year.

http://pressgazette.co.uk/paul-dacre-sa ... l-suicide/

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by lex-man » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:26 pm

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“As for the other ‘i’ word, one of the main reasons Britain voted Brexit was the refusal by our ruling class, led by the BBC, to allow a mature debate on mass immigration which has nothing to do with race and everything to do with numbers,” Dacre added.

“If the Mail promoted that debate and helped prevent the rise here of the kind of ugly right-wing political movements now festering across the EU, then I suffer my critics’ obloquy with pride.”




Surely he is part of the ugly right-wing political movements now festering across the EU.

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by Moggy » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:38 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Vermilion wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:May is without doubt the worst prime minister this country has had.


No, that was Cameron, May was given the unenviable task of being left to clean up his mess.


Cameron was a fool but wasn’t this useless. May is just calamity after calamity. I didn’t think much of his abilities but I never thought him as incompetent as May appears to be.

She had a hard job after Cameron’s stupid referendum, but she shows no leadership at all.

I wouldn’t say she’s the worst ever (she’s not finished yet) but she’s comfortably the worst in my lifetime.


Cameron and Osbourne were shitheels of the highest order but they had a philosophy and enacted it. It was an awful, awful philosophy, and Cameron deserves to go down in history as the real architect of our post-Brexit nation, but they were competent politicians, mostly.

May is a second stringer who was probably stretching her abilities as a minister. As PM she's utterly out of her depth. As far as I can see, we may as well not have a PM at the moment. The Tory party has devolved into a number of warring cabals, no decisions are being taken on anything substantial for fear any actual stance would topple the leadership and she simply isn't enough of a leader to stop her ministers openly fighting.

I can't comment on ever, I don't have that sort of political history in me, but as moggy says she's the worst in our lifetimes and probably the worst since WWII.


Yep. I guess Anthony Eden might come close, but I don’t know much about him other than the disaster of Suez, he might have been average other than that debacle.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by KK » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:41 pm

Newspaper circulation figures (May 2018)

Metro - 1,476,169 (-0.24 year-on-year decline)
The Sun - 1,473,773 (-6.49)
Daily Mail - 1,277,409 (-11.49)
The Sun on Sunday - 1,272,592 (-5.58)
Mail on Sunday - 1,110,637 (-10.42)
London Evening Standard - 895,329 (-0.89)
The Sunday Times - 772,509 (-3.79)
Daily Mirror - 564,251 (-12.68)
Sunday Mirror - 492,435 (-12.53)
The Times - 431,053 (-5.66)
Daily Telegraph - 376,650 (-21.41)
Daily Star - 370,640 (-13.68)
Daily Express - 340,613 (-10.77)
Sunday Telegraph - 303,416 (-14.65)
i - 251,793 (-5.73)
Daily Star Sunday - 223,741 (-9.82)
Sunday People - 191,318 (-14.55)
Financial Times - 181,311 (-7.1)
The Observer - 170,775 (-3.88)
The Guardian - 140,778 (-8.09)

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by Karl » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:45 pm

lex-man wrote:
KK wrote:

“As for the other ‘i’ word, one of the main reasons Britain voted Brexit was the refusal by our ruling class, led by the BBC, to allow a mature debate on mass immigration which has nothing to do with race and everything to do with numbers,” Dacre added.

“If the Mail promoted that debate and helped prevent the rise here of the kind of ugly right-wing political movements now festering across the EU, then I suffer my critics’ obloquy with pride.”




Surely he is part of the ugly right-wing political movements now festering across the EU.


Agreed 100%. But no-one thinks they're evil.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Winckle » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:16 pm

KK wrote:
- Press notes

The Sun is to increase its price of the paper on Sunday to £1.20, with retailers now receiving 25.2p per copy – and an extra 2.1p for every copy sold.

News UK has announced that the price rise on The Sun on Sunday will come into effect from 17 June 2018.

Man, that’s steep. The Saturday edition with TV guide is 70p.

Andrex is even cheaper, and is far more absorbent.


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