Politics Thread 5

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by Alvin Flummux » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:30 pm

Moggy wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:We're going to have to have another world war to get rid of these freaks for another century, aren't we?


That won’t work this time. The far right influences in Britain and America are working with Russia.

Who would be able to fight against them? And we (as in us personally) would be on the wrong side even if somebody could take them on.


So the world is doomed to fall to fascism, after all it has done to try to be free of it? Maybe it'll take a civil war, maybe it'll take decades but we have to try.

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by Moggy » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:34 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:We're going to have to have another world war to get rid of these freaks for another century, aren't we?


That won’t work this time. The far right influences in Britain and America are working with Russia.

Who would be able to fight against them? And we (as in us personally) would be on the wrong side even if somebody could take them on.


So the world is doomed to fall to fascism, after all it has done to try to be free of it? Maybe it'll take a civil war, maybe it'll take decades but we have to try.


The only available options aren’t fall to fascism or have a civil war.

But if the far right got a hard grip on Britain and America, then it’s all over for a generation, there is nobody able and/or willing to fight the US/UK/Russia combined.

Luckily I don’t think the far right will gain that strong a hold. They are rising at the moment, but I think things will snap back to normality in a few years. Especially once Trump really starts to strawberry float America up and Brexit bites Britain.

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by Vermilion » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:48 pm

Moggy wrote:Apparently this is not a parody account.

twitter.com/beccamebabe/status/1018241269338902528



:lol: :lol: :lol:


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by Cuttooth » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:24 pm

Moggy wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:We're going to have to have another world war to get rid of these freaks for another century, aren't we?


That won’t work this time. The far right influences in Britain and America are working with Russia.

Who would be able to fight against them? And we (as in us personally) would be on the wrong side even if somebody could take them on.


So the world is doomed to fall to fascism, after all it has done to try to be free of it? Maybe it'll take a civil war, maybe it'll take decades but we have to try.


The only available options aren’t fall to fascism or have a civil war.

But if the far right got a hard grip on Britain and America, then it’s all over for a generation, there is nobody able and/or willing to fight the US/UK/Russia combined.

Luckily I don’t think the far right will gain that strong a hold. They are rising at the moment, but I think things will snap back to normality in a few years. Especially once Trump really starts to strawberry float America up and Brexit bites Britain.

I don't think there's any chance of fascism disappearing in any kind of 'easy' or calm way. It requires big news organisations like the BBC and New York Times to drop an obsessive tolerance of far-right politics for the sake of incorrectly, and immorally balancing "two sides" as equals. Until those journalistic failings even start to be addressed things are going to get very grim within a relatively short space of time.

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by Moggy » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:27 pm

Cuttooth wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:We're going to have to have another world war to get rid of these freaks for another century, aren't we?


That won’t work this time. The far right influences in Britain and America are working with Russia.

Who would be able to fight against them? And we (as in us personally) would be on the wrong side even if somebody could take them on.


So the world is doomed to fall to fascism, after all it has done to try to be free of it? Maybe it'll take a civil war, maybe it'll take decades but we have to try.


The only available options aren’t fall to fascism or have a civil war.

But if the far right got a hard grip on Britain and America, then it’s all over for a generation, there is nobody able and/or willing to fight the US/UK/Russia combined.

Luckily I don’t think the far right will gain that strong a hold. They are rising at the moment, but I think things will snap back to normality in a few years. Especially once Trump really starts to strawberry float America up and Brexit bites Britain.

I don't think there's any chance of fascism disappearing in any kind of 'easy' or calm way. It requires big news organisations like the BBC and New York Times to drop an obsessive tolerance of far-right politics for the sake of incorrectly, and immorally balancing "two sides" as equals. Until those journalistic failings even start to be addressed things are going to get very grim within a relatively short space of time.


I don’t think it’ll disappear, it certainly didn’t after WW2.

I think it’ll start fading away again in a few years though.

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by KK » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:53 pm

Heads up that Emily Thornberry features on Channel 4's Dispatches tomorrow at 8pm, “Getting Rich From The Housing Crisis”.

Turns out her husband made more than half a million buying up a former housing association property. It’s part of a wider investigation into the sell-off of 1,600 housing association properties, valued at £400 million. Labour wants the policy scrapped...presumably after the front bench has purchased them all for themselves. :mrgreen:

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by Alvin Flummux » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:58 pm

Moggy wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:We're going to have to have another world war to get rid of these freaks for another century, aren't we?


That won’t work this time. The far right influences in Britain and America are working with Russia.

Who would be able to fight against them? And we (as in us personally) would be on the wrong side even if somebody could take them on.


So the world is doomed to fall to fascism, after all it has done to try to be free of it? Maybe it'll take a civil war, maybe it'll take decades but we have to try.


The only available options aren’t fall to fascism or have a civil war.

But if the far right got a hard grip on Britain and America, then it’s all over for a generation, there is nobody able and/or willing to fight the US/UK/Russia combined.

Luckily I don’t think the far right will gain that strong a hold. They are rising at the moment, but I think things will snap back to normality in a few years. Especially once Trump really starts to strawberry float America up and Brexit bites Britain.

I don't think there's any chance of fascism disappearing in any kind of 'easy' or calm way. It requires big news organisations like the BBC and New York Times to drop an obsessive tolerance of far-right politics for the sake of incorrectly, and immorally balancing "two sides" as equals. Until those journalistic failings even start to be addressed things are going to get very grim within a relatively short space of time.


I don’t think it’ll disappear, it certainly didn’t after WW2.

I think it’ll start fading away again in a few years though.


I blame Italy for inventing fascism. I say we demand something from them as recompense.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:03 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:We're going to have to have another world war to get rid of these freaks for another century, aren't we?


That won’t work this time. The far right influences in Britain and America are working with Russia.

Who would be able to fight against them? And we (as in us personally) would be on the wrong side even if somebody could take them on.


So the world is doomed to fall to fascism, after all it has done to try to be free of it? Maybe it'll take a civil war, maybe it'll take decades but we have to try.


The only available options aren’t fall to fascism or have a civil war.

But if the far right got a hard grip on Britain and America, then it’s all over for a generation, there is nobody able and/or willing to fight the US/UK/Russia combined.

Luckily I don’t think the far right will gain that strong a hold. They are rising at the moment, but I think things will snap back to normality in a few years. Especially once Trump really starts to strawberry float America up and Brexit bites Britain.

I don't think there's any chance of fascism disappearing in any kind of 'easy' or calm way. It requires big news organisations like the BBC and New York Times to drop an obsessive tolerance of far-right politics for the sake of incorrectly, and immorally balancing "two sides" as equals. Until those journalistic failings even start to be addressed things are going to get very grim within a relatively short space of time.


I don’t think it’ll disappear, it certainly didn’t after WW2.

I think it’ll start fading away again in a few years though.


I blame Italy for inventing fascism. I say we demand something from them as recompense.


According to Encyclopædia Britannica the roots of fascism are either tied to the Jacobin movement or a 19th-century backlash against the Enlightenment.


We can blame the French :datass:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:09 pm

twitter.com/cwunews/status/1018487342766714880



:wub:

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by Ecno » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:55 pm

KK wrote:Heads up that Emily Thornberry features on Channel 4's Dispatches tomorrow at 8pm, “Getting Rich From The Housing Crisis”.

Turns out her husband made more than half a million buying up a former housing association property. It’s part of a wider investigation into the sell-off of 1,600 housing association properties, valued at £400 million. Labour wants the policy scrapped...presumably after the front bench has purchased them all for themselves. :mrgreen:


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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by captain red dog » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:51 am

Moggy wrote:

twitter.com/cwunews/status/1018487342766714880



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Plot twist, she's driving the Brexit bus. :lol:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Preezy » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:18 pm

Can someone fill me in on this Tommy Robinson stuff?

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by Moggy » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:20 pm

Preezy wrote:Can someone fill me in on this Tommy Robinson stuff?


Racist criminal winds up lots of other racist criminals. He then endangers trials by filming Facebook videos and gets put in jail after failing to follow a judges order to not film trials.

Racist morons go mental.

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by Preezy » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:30 pm

Moggy wrote:
Preezy wrote:Can someone fill me in on this Tommy Robinson stuff?


Racist criminal winds up lots of other racist criminals. He then endangers trials by filming Facebook videos and gets put in jail after failing to follow a judges order to not film trials.

Racist morons go mental.

I see. How delicious :toot:

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by Jenuall » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:31 pm

Preezy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Preezy wrote:Can someone fill me in on this Tommy Robinson stuff?


Racist criminal winds up lots of other racist criminals. He then endangers trials by filming Facebook videos and gets put in jail after failing to follow a judges order to not film trials.

Racist morons go mental.

I see. How delicious :toot:


I still keep misreading some of these as Tony Robinson and thinking - oh no, what's Baldrick done now?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by KK » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:34 pm

BBC News wrote:The number of people moving to the UK from EU countries was the lowest it's been for nearly four years in 2017.

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There were 101,000 net migrants - showing the difference between the number of people coming to live in the UK for at least 12 months and those emigrating - last year, the ONS said.

For those coming from outside the EU, net migration was the highest it had been since September 2011.

But there was also a record number of EU citizens emigrating from the UK.

The Office for National Statistics data is for the first full calendar year since the Brexit vote.

It showed an estimated 139,000 left in 2017. The only other year when the EU emigration figures came close to that level was in 2008. when 134,000 EU nationals left the UK.

The net migration figure for those coming to the UK from outside the EU is 227,000.

The government's aim is to cut overall net migration, from the EU and outside the EU, to the tens of thousands.

The migration report also showed:

  • A fall in the number of EU citizens coming to the UK "looking for work", which decreased by a third (33%) from 55,000 in 2016 to 37,000 last year
  • Net migration from eight eastern European countries that joined the EU in 2004 - Poland, Lithuania, Czech Republic, Hungary, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia and Latvia - has fallen from 42,000 in the year prior to the referendum to 6,000 in 2017
  • Net migration from 14 longer-term member states such as Germany, Italy, Spain and France, has almost halved since the vote, falling from 84,000 in the 12 months to June 2016 to 46,000 last year
  • An estimated 40,000 more Romanians and Bulgarians migrated to the UK than left last year - the joint lowest net migration figure for the two countries since the year to September 2014
The ONS said: "The estimated number of EU citizens coming to the UK 'looking for work' continued to decrease over the last year and the number coming to the UK for a definite job has remained stable."

Immigration minister Caroline Noakes said: "What these statistics show is that more of the people who are coming to the UK are coming for the reasons we would want - to take up a definite job or to study.

"More EU nationals continue to arrive than leave and as the ONS have made clear, net migration has been broadly stable since late 2016. But while it is not unusual to see quarterly ups and downs, we know more needs to be done if we are to bring net migration down to sustainable levels."

While net migration is continuing to add to the UK population, the 2017 figure of 282,000 is down from record highs recorded in 2015 and early 2016.

It is the highest for 18 months, however - and still well above the government target of less than 100,000.

Emigration has shown a gradual increase since 2015 and is currently around 350,000, the ONS said. Immigration has stayed roughly stable at about 630,000, the report showed.

Lord Green of Deddington, chairman of Migration Watch UK, said the new figures were "very disappointing", adding: "It's time for the government to get serious about reducing immigration instead of caving into every demand of the immigration lobby."

Madeleine Sumption, director of the Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford, said the data suggests the UK is "still an attractive country, but its allure for EU migrants has declined considerably over the past couple of years".

Shadow home secretary Diana Abbott said it was "clear to almost everyone except Theresa May that the net migration target should go".

But the prime minister's official spokesman said: "We remain committed to bringing net migration down to sustainable levels, and that is the tens of thousands."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44846002

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by Grumpy David » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:16 pm

KK wrote:
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But the prime minister's official spokesman said: "We remain committed to bringing net migration down to sustainable levels, and that is the tens of thousands."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44846002



:lol: :lol: :lol:

No one believes that anymore. Tories won't go back to Tory levels of immigration when Thatcher/Major were in power.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Meep » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:08 pm

What evidence are they using to determine what level is "sustainable"? I'd like to see some actual figures backing up the argument, otherwise it just looks like they pulled the tens of thousands figure out of their arse to look good on headlines.

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by Tineash » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:21 pm

Meep wrote:What evidence are they using to determine what level is "sustainable"? I'd like to see some actual figures backing up the argument, otherwise it just looks like they pulled the tens of thousands figure out of their arse to look good on headlines.


Damian Green made it up and blurted it out on TV once. That's where it came from... no analysis, no policy. Theresa May liked having a hard target, so she kept it once she was Home Secretary.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Errkal » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:23 am

It's high enough that some people are coming so you can say you aren't racist but low enough to appease the racists that don't like seeing people who look different.


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