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by KK » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:27 pm

Owen Jones wearing a security lanyard with “Artist” written on it. Hope there’s a video of his ‘gig’.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Lotus » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:28 pm

Was always going to be a shitshow, what were they thinking. :lol: :fp:

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by Errkal » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:31 pm

Lotus wrote:Was always going to be a shitshow, what were they thinking. :lol: :fp:

That everyone loves Corbyn as much some labour people do.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by KK » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:36 pm

twitter.com/tracybrabin/status/1007982046290079744


twitter.com/skynewspolitics/status/1007966865497509889


twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1007980268114927616


More like dignitas...

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by Drumstick » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:15 pm

The thought of going to something like that when there's cricket, rugby and football on today.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by KK » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:22 pm

Eddie Izzard speaking:

twitter.com/lolabourlive/status/1007978535078760448



twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1007995949623463936



Yuuuuuuuuuge crowds, folks. Believe me.

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by Tafdolphin » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:04 pm

Oh dear oh dear.

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by Lex-Man » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:23 pm

Surprised that Jones is pulling a better crowd than Izzard.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:45 pm

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Grumpy David » Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:37 pm

:lol: Who knew Labour Live would be so entertaining?



Gents, I don't want to speak too soon, but I think that weed legalisation is a realistic goal within a decade. Not so much because people should be free to choose (they should) or that it raises lots of tax money (it raises zero currently but states in the USA getting tonnes), but because of the medical benefits and public backlash to a child's prescription being denied to him and subsequent return of stronger and more frequent seizures.

Home Office returns cannabis oil for boy's epilepsy treatment

Sajid Javid uses special power to issue licence for Billy Caldwell to receive medicine

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jun/16/billy-caldwells-mother-hopeful-of-cannabis-medicine-licence

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by That » Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:45 pm

I think weed should be legal, and I'm not saying this is more important than the arguments in favour, but... I'm really not looking forward to student towns absolutely reeking all the time. (The studenty bits of Wales already really stink of weed...)

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by KK » Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:53 pm

Javid has done more since he was put in control of the Home Office than Rudd did her entire run.

I’m glad common sense has prevailed in this case, but the law needs to be changed on medical-use cannabis. You can argue to have weed remain illegal but this is something completely different.

I’m happy for other countries (such as Canada) to legalise it more generally and see it as a test run for something we could potentially do down the road, learning from any of their mistakes.

Having synthetic cannabis and wasters looking like zombies on spice (only recently made illegal) clearly isn’t the way to go either. Because cannabis is banned in this country you have an even worse situation with this crap.

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by Lex-Man » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:23 pm

It seems like there is no real penalty for smoking weed. I'm always smelling people smoking it. It'd probably be better to legalise it and use the resources finding people growing it illegally as they're often exploiting people at the same time.

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by Errkal » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:25 pm

I imagine it would be used less in public places and stuff, if legal as it wouldn't be a "rebel" thing and it would be less available through dodgy means because why would you go to a dodge dealer when you can go to Weed'R'Us.

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by Moggy » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:30 pm

Errkal wrote:I imagine it would be used less in public places and stuff, if legal as it wouldn't be a "rebel" thing and it would be less available through dodgy means because why would you go to a dodge dealer when you can go to Weed'R'Us.


I think in a weird way legalising it could lead to less annoyances as long as the law had rules on where you could smoke it.

The police don’t really (and rightly!) don’t give a gooseberry fool about people smoking weed now. Too much paperwork for so little reward. If it was legal but somebody was smoking in a “no weed zone” I think the police would be more inclined to hand out an on the spot fine.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by KK » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:34 pm

Littering, smoking and drinking in public places (such as town centres) is enforced okay by some councils so you could add cannabis to that.

When it comes to police priorities it’s no surprise it’s near the bottom of the list. Take something like Glastonbury - you’d be arresting everyone.

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by satriales » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:55 am

They only reversed their decision in this case because the kid was going to die if they didn't and it was in the media spotlight. There are many others who need the same medicine but can't get it until the law is changed. They can't just make one exception because of media attention.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by KK » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:28 pm

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by KK » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:14 pm

A raft of changes to the UK’s immigration rules snuck out while everyone is focused on the NHS:

Tens of thousands of foreign students will be allowed to attend universities in Britain without having to prove they have the right qualifications.

The Government has also scrapped rules requiring them to provide evidence they have enough funds to live here and can speak English.

Home Secretary Sajid Javid yesterday simplified the process of securing so-called 'Tier 4' visas for students from countries it considers a 'low risk' of abusing the system.

Critics warned that easing the rules risked bogus or underqualified students who submitted applications in a bid to beat border controls slipping through the net. But the Home Office insisted there was no evidence students from the countries involved had exploited the system. Officials insisted random spot-checks would weed out wrong-doing.

The measure is part of a raft of reforms unveiled by Mr Javid which relax immigration rules. At the same time, he made it easier for non-EU migrants and refugees to come to Britain to work and live.

He acted a day after relaxing visa rules so thousands more foreign doctors and nurses will be able to work in Britain. He cut migration controls to allow the NHS to recruit more staff, meaning other businesses and employers will be able to hire an extra 8,000 skilled non-EU workers, such as engineers, IT professionals and teachers.

In the latest shake-up, the Government added 11 countries to its 'trusted' list for the purpose of student visas. The additional countries – China, Cambodia, Indonesia, Thailand, Mexico, Bahrain, Serbia, Dominican Republic, Kuwait, Maldives and Macau – bring the list to 30. Overseas students from these nations will benefit from a streamlined application process, which means they will have to provide fewer documents when applying for visas.

Controversially, they will no longer need to submit evidence showing they meet the requirements for living costs of up to £1,265 a month, previous qualifications or evidence they can speak English fluently.

In the year to March, a total of 100,769 students from the 11 nations were granted permission to study in the UK.

Migrationwatch think-tank has warned today of a 'slippery slope', saying: 'The last time the student visa system was loosened in 2009 it took years to recover from the massive inflow of bogus students, especially from India.'

In other measures, an immigration route for highly-skilled individuals is to be widened to include fashion designers. For the first time, they will be able to apply for Tier 1 visas which are handed to 'exceptional talent' in the fields of science, humanities, engineering, medicine, digital technology or the arts.

The Home Office said the route was also being opened up to a wider pool of TV personalities and film stars. It also confirmed previously announced measures making clear that Afghan interpreters and their families who have relocated to the UK can apply free for permanent residence.

Countries already on the student visa trusted list are Argentina, Australia, Barbados, Botswana, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Hong Kong, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, Qatar, Singapore, South Korea, Trinidad and Tobago, United Arab Emirates, the US and Taiwan.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by That » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:21 pm

Streamlining tier-4 applications is a good thing for the University sector. Setting up collaborations & studentships for visiting researchers & students can be an absolute mess at the moment.

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