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Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:51 pm
by Hyperion
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:With the way Brexit is going I actually think he might still get in. But in any normal election he is doomed.


I don’t see Brexit helping him, he isn’t offering much opposition to it.


Yeah, but if things go bad people will want to punish the Tories and that'll mean voting Labour. Also if things do get really bad (no food, medicine etc) a lot of people will blame the Tories and not necessarily Brexit. You'll probably end up with a load of comments along the lines of, "We wanted Brexit but not like this."


I don't see him getting in. I reckon the Tories may call another election shortly after Brexit before the effects really hit, and unless he wins that, he's probably too old to stay on as leader.

Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:59 pm
by Moggy
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:With the way Brexit is going I actually think he might still get in. But in any normal election he is doomed.


I don’t see Brexit helping him, he isn’t offering much opposition to it.


Yeah, but if things go bad people will want to punish the Tories and that'll mean voting Labour. Also if things do get really bad (no food, medicine etc) a lot of people will blame the Tories and not necessarily Brexit. You'll probably end up with a load of comments along the lines of, "We wanted Brexit but not like this."


And the Tories will simply point out that Corbyn did nothing to stop Brexit.

If things go tits up (and let’s face it, it’s going to go tits up!) then Corbyn would be foolish to point at Brexit. He’d try more along the lines of austerity/cuts/rich people not paying their fair share. That might get him over the line if things get bad enough.

If he relies on Brexit, he’ll be strawberry floated.

Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:10 pm
by lex-man
Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:With the way Brexit is going I actually think he might still get in. But in any normal election he is doomed.


I don’t see Brexit helping him, he isn’t offering much opposition to it.


Yeah, but if things go bad people will want to punish the Tories and that'll mean voting Labour. Also if things do get really bad (no food, medicine etc) a lot of people will blame the Tories and not necessarily Brexit. You'll probably end up with a load of comments along the lines of, "We wanted Brexit but not like this."


And the Tories will simply point out that Corbyn did nothing to stop Brexit.

If things go tits up (and let’s face it, it’s going to go tits up!) then Corbyn would be foolish to point at Brexit. He’d try more along the lines of austerity/cuts/rich people not paying their fair share. That might get him over the line if things get bad enough.

If he relies on Brexit, he’ll be strawberry floated.


I don't think he'll campaign on it, I just think people in general will be very unhappy with the state of the country. People will want to punish the Tories and will vote Labour because it's the only other practical choice.

Also the Tories saying "the other guy would have done the same thing" isn't a very good argument.

I'm not totally certain, I just think he has a chance because of the current exceptional circumstances.

Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:11 pm
by Lagamorph
I know the Tories are utterly incompetent at the moment, but if Corbyn were to mention Brexit they'd soon find enough competence to point out that not only did he not oppose it but at one point he was invoking a three line whip to support Tory Brexit.

Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:07 pm
by Hyperion
I thought I'd read that he'd been 'winning' PMQs recently by attacking the Tories on Brexit, rather than 'Jane from Peterborough has sent me a letter'?

Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:08 pm
by Karl
My urge is to try to like Corbyn, because I don't think Corbyn himself is totally "bad". I think he genuinely wants to help people and has put forward some decent policies for doing that, which is more than we can say for literally any Tory. When people listen to him directly I think he even has quite a lot of charisma. But he has such a terrible & infuriating take on Brexit, and he's awful at the marketing side of politics (which, like it or not, is the most important part!), and he's surrounded himself with a team that has niche appeal at best and are actively incompetent at worst. With all that it's hard to pin ultimate responsibility for Labour's terrible polling on anyone apart from him.

But to be completely fair, entrenched and severe bias in the press and media is also a big factor in why he polls so badly. Your typical voter doesn't care about politics that much and their views will be broadly a reflection of their favourite newspaper's or TV channel's, or the prevailing view of their mates (which will have the same source). I'm not even necessarily having a go at them, but I think that's the reality of where "average" (yeah, I know...) people get their views.

Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:51 pm
by Squinty
Tommy Robinson march today, it erupted in violence. Police got attacked according to various outlets.

Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:07 pm
by Benzin
Seared gammon...

Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:28 pm
by Vermilion
lex-man wrote:Also if things do get really bad (no food, medicine etc)


Someone's been reading those brexit scare stories the likes of Yahoo keep peddling.

Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:41 pm
by Moggy
Vermilion wrote:
lex-man wrote:Also if things do get really bad (no food, medicine etc)


Someone's been reading those brexit scare stories the likes of Yahoo keep peddling.


A “walk away” no deal Brexit would mean a lack of such things.

For example, walking away would mean we were not members of Euratom, which means no access to the isotopes used in radiotherapy.

Food would still be imported, but we’d be paying tariffs under WTO rules. We already have plenty of food banks, imagine the carnage if food massively increased in price.

As we get closer to Brexit and with no deals in sight, “Project Fear” is looking less like a scare story and far more like a bloody accurate prediction. There’s still time for the government to salvage something from all this, but they can’t agree amongst themselves at the moment, let alone agree anything with the EU.

Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:23 pm
by Karl
Aye. No-one is saying "we will have no food and no medicine". What people are worried about is, what if the queue time for radiotherapy goes up by six weeks, or everyone's weekly shop goes up by 30%.

Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:59 am
by Dual
Recommend you all start watching Preppers on Netflix just in case

Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:00 am
by Moggy
Dual wrote:Recommend you all start watching Preppers on Netflix just in case


:lol:

Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:58 am
by Moggy


:lol:

Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:37 pm
by Alvin Flummux
Moggy wrote:

:lol:


That is beautiful. :lol:

Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:54 pm
by Hyperion

Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:06 am
by Moggy
This weeks leader of UKIP gets so so close to an epiphany.



:lol:

Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:07 pm
by Moggy
An alleged member of banned far-right group National Action has admitted planning to murder MP Rosie Cooper.

Jack Renshaw, 23, of Skelmersdale, Lancashire, pleaded guilty to preparing an act of terrorism by buying a machete with the intention of killing the Labour MP for West Lancashire.

He is among six men who deny being members of a proscribed organisation.

The Old Bailey jury was told National Action was a "neo-Nazi group" which in 2016 supported the murder of MP Jo Cox.

Renshaw has also admitted making a threat to kill police officer Victoria Henderson.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44452529


:dread:

Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:11 pm
by Preezy
Throw away the key.

Re: Politics Thread 5

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:22 pm
by Jenuall
Glad they've caught that person, but sadly there are many more like him out there.

It's pretty horrifying to think that I'm sat in 2018 UK and pretty much expect that we'll see more MP's subjected to physical violence and potentially murdered as a result of Brexit. :dread: