Politics Thread 5

[KK]

Someone who worked hard could still be sweeping the streets I think is the opposing argument.

My Mum briefly used to be a cleaner in a school. Not a mentally difficult job nor in any way challenging, and strangely quite satisfying, but tiring. Would probably be easier these days however if given a Dyson V10 and Dettol rather than a Henry and a j cloth...

Of course street sweeping is hard work.

The “working hard” comment obviously means working hard at school.

That's exactly what I meant; you could work hard at school and still end up sweeping the streets.

[Moggy]

Someone who worked hard could still be sweeping the streets I think is the opposing argument.

My Mum briefly used to be a cleaner in a school. Not a mentally difficult job nor in any way challenging, and strangely quite satisfying, but tiring. Would probably be easier these days however if given a Dyson V10 and Dettol rather than a Henry and a j cloth...

Of course street sweeping is hard work.

The “working hard” comment obviously means working hard at school.

That's exactly what I meant; you could work hard at school and still end up sweeping the streets.

You could have a PhD and still end up as a chimney sweep, but it’s a lot less likely than somebody that leaves school with no GCSEs.

[Jenuall]

"Views from people of all works of life matter

It's "all walks of life"

I don't know, you judge Corbyn for his bad phrasing and then come out with something like that. What a nonk.

My Mum briefly used to be a cleaner in a school. Not a mentally difficult job nor in any way challenging, and strangely quite satisfying, but tiring. Would probably be easier these days however if given a Dyson V10 and Dettol rather than a Henry and a j cloth...

My Mum works as a self employed cleaner and I used to help out for extra cash when I was in my teens, Henry Hoover is the backbone of the cleaning industry! I'd take a Henry any day over any of this Dyson bullshit.

[Preezy]

Utter nonkery!

[KK]

My Mum works as a self employed cleaner and I used to help out for extra cash when I was in my teens, Henry Hoover is the backbone of the cleaning industry! I'd take a Henry any day over any of this Dyson bullshit.

It's lugging the thing around though. Dyson is light and cordless (but runs out of battery in about 50 minutes), but with Henry you've got to drag it around, cables getting in the way...then you've got to change the bag...there's probably 40 flights of stairs because the lift has broken...some knob will probably then unplug it from the wall for a laugh...argh!!!



I wonder why SNP voters are more inclined to believe social media.

[Preezy]

Social media was a mistake.

[Lex-Man]

My Mum works as a self employed cleaner and I used to help out for extra cash when I was in my teens, Henry Hoover is the backbone of the cleaning industry! I'd take a Henry any day over any of this Dyson bullshit.

It's lugging the thing around though. Dyson is light and cordless (but runs out of battery in about 50 minutes), but with Henry you've got to drag it around, cables getting in the way...then you've got to change the bag...there's probably 40 flights of stairs because the lift has broken...some knob will probably then unplug it from the wall for a laugh...argh!!!



I wonder why SNP voters are more inclined to believe social media.

Presumably it's because they want an independent Scotland and most of the main stream media are pro union.

[KK]

Tom Watson has vowed to face down an online campaign to oust him as Labour’s deputy leader after he criticised the party leadership’s handling of the antisemitism row.

Critics of Watson caused the hashtag #ResignWatson to trend on Twitter, after an Observer interview in which he said Labour faced a “vortex of eternal shame” unless it tackled the issue head-on.

On Monday, the party suspended George McManus, a member of Labour’s national policy forum, after comments he posted on Facebook about Watson and “Jewish donors”.

McManus, who stood for election to lead the body this year, highlighted donations received by Watson from the businessman Sir Trevor Chinn and wrote: “Apparently Watson received £50,000+ from Jewish donors. At least Judas only got 30 pieces of silver.”

Luciana Berger, the MP who leads the Jewish Labour Movement, submitted a formal complaint to the party about the comments.

The Facebook post has since been deleted and McManus has apologised. “I’d like to apologise to Tom Watson for my drawing an analogy between him accepting money from Jewish donors and the biblical story of the betrayal by Judas. I fully accept that such an analogy is wrong and am sorry for making the comparison,” he wrote.

The Labour MP Wes Streeting called the comments “100% antisemitic trope” and Berger said the party must take swift action.

It sometimes feels like people have been calling for me to stand down from day one but I never, ever thought I’d be facing demands to #resignwatson for standing up for people who are facing prejudice and hate. - Tom Watson

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... signwatson

[Preezy]

Any Labour supporters starting to feel uncomfortable about the party they support?

[Rex Kramer]

It's a good job there's no opposing to be done as everything is going along swimmingly. Plenty of time for all this infighting.

[That]

Any Labour supporters starting to feel uncomfortable about the party they support?

It depends what you mean, IMO it's a more complicated issue than that yes/no question implies.

Do I believe that Labour has been infiltrated on all levels by a conspiracy of antisemitic radicals, hell-bent on a second Holocaust? No not really.

Are there a few vocal and stupid people on the left who have let their support of Palestine bleed over into antisemitism? Sure. Has the Labour leadership handled that fact well? No, they've let it become a several month long slow-motion PR disaster. Even in the face of a hostile press, to let it go on so long is poor leadership.

I would say that ultimately while this all is a problem they need to deal with, Labour policy just doesn't really reflect antisemitism in the same way that Tory policy reflects that party's inherent and systemic racism, ableism, hatred of the poor, and so on.

I think it's worth mentioning that denial of the Holocaust (EDIT: which I bring up just to give an example of an antisemitic idea) is a stereotypically far-right, not far-left, viewpoint. I'm not saying the reporting being done is entirely invalid but there is certainly an element of deliberate deflection from the far-right media here.

I don't "support" Labour by the way. No party reflects my political views wholly. But I vote Labour as the best approximation to my views amongst mainstream parties, and the best chance of removing the Tories.

[Lagamorph]

Any Labour supporters starting to feel uncomfortable about the party they support?

It depends what you mean, IMO it's a more complicated issue than that yes/no question implies.

Do I believe that Labour has been infiltrated on all levels by a conspiracy of antisemitic radicals, hell-bent on a second Holocaust? No not really.

Are there a few vocal and stupid people on the left who have let their support of Palestine bleed over into antisemitism? Sure. Has the Labour leadership handled that fact well? No, they've let it become a several month long slow-motion PR disaster. Even in the face of a hostile press, to let it go on so long is poor leadership.

I would say that ultimately while this all is a problem they need to deal with, Labour policy just doesn't really reflect antisemitism in the same way that Tory policy reflects that party's inherent and systemic racism, ableism, hatred of the poor, and so on.

I think it's worth mentioning that denial of the Holocaust is a stereotypically far-right, not far-left, viewpoint. I'm not saying the reporting being done is entirely invalid but there is certainly an element of deliberate deflection from the far-right media here.

I don't "support" Labour by the way. No party reflects my political views wholly. But I vote Labour as the best approximation to my views amongst mainstream parties, and the best chance of removing the Tories.

I thought Preezy was referring more to the fact that any kind of criticism of Corbyn by someone high up in the party results in Momentum basically jumping down their throat and trying to force them out even when the criticism is perfectly valid.

[Moggy]

twitter.com/baddiel/status/1026458781985792000

There’s no problem at all inside Labour.

[Hypes]

And just as the Tories thought everyone had forgotten about their Islamaphobia, Tweedledum brings it up again

twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1026367980438003713

[Preezy]

I thought Preezy was referring more to the fact that any kind of criticism of Corbyn by someone high up in the party results in Momentum basically jumping down their throat and trying to force them out even when the criticism is perfectly valid.

Both that and the general air of antisemitism that surrounds the party.

[KK]

I think it's about time the Labour party split and joined up with the Lib Dems. And I say that because a 3 way split is never going to win; it's like when the Tories split and the vote goes off to UKIP.

This Labour party has been hijacked by nutters. I've been inundated with polls and surveys this past month asking me how I'd feel about a new centrist party and what it should stand for so clearly someone somewhere is testing the waters.

[Squinty]

Lammy is correct. This is Boris appealing to the lowest form of society, for his own career.

[Moggy]

I think it's about time the Labour party split and joined up with the Lib Dems. And I say that because a 3 way split is never going to win; it's like when the Tories split and the vote goes off to UKIP.

This Labour party has been hijacked by nutters. I've been inundated with polls and surveys this past month asking me how I'd feel about a new centrist party and what it should stand for so clearly someone somewhere is testing the waters.

Trouble is a split like that would just hand the Tories guaranteed victories for decades.

Labour and Lib Dem’s can’t win now, they’d be strawberry floated if the left wing vote was split even more.

[OrangeRKN]

If only we had some kind of better, alternative voting system

[Hypes]

twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1026503735168643083