Politics Thread 7: Dishy Rishi's Cabinet of Horrors

[Moggy]

So typical of the left (Nike) to deface the flag. Wouldn't catch the right doing that.

That’s not a right wing flag. It’s a charity symbol and has no political affiliation.

https://www.thinbluelineuk.org.uk/about/

You’re thinking of the American blue line flag. Which was adopted by American far right organisations as a solidarity symbol with their police.

The kids below are not Hitler Youth Nazis. But once a hate group takes over and becomes associated with a symbol, it might be a good idea to have a rethink.

[Return_of_the_STAR]

So typical of the left (Nike) to deface the flag. Wouldn't catch the right doing that.

That’s not a right wing flag. It’s a charity symbol and has no political affiliation.

https://www.thinbluelineuk.org.uk/about/

You’re thinking of the American blue line flag. Which was adopted by American far right organisations as a solidarity symbol with their police.

The kids below are not Hitler Youth Nazis. But once a hate group takes over and becomes associated with a symbol, it might be a good idea to have a rethink.

Well yes in America that’s true, but here the thin blue line flag isn’t associated with hatred to anywhere near the same degree.

The St Georges flag has a much bigger association with hate groups than the thin blue line Union Jack. I’ve only ever seen the thin blue, red or green line worn by emergency services here.

[Moggy]

So typical of the left (Nike) to deface the flag. Wouldn't catch the right doing that.

That’s not a right wing flag. It’s a charity symbol and has no political affiliation.

https://www.thinbluelineuk.org.uk/about/

You’re thinking of the American blue line flag. Which was adopted by American far right organisations as a solidarity symbol with their police.

The kids below are not Hitler Youth Nazis. But once a hate group takes over and becomes associated with a symbol, it might be a good idea to have a rethink.

Well yes in America that’s true, but here the thin blue line flag isn’t associated with hatred to anywhere near the same degree.

The St Georges flag has a much bigger association with hate groups than the thin blue line Union Jack. I’ve only ever seen the thin blue, red or green line worn by emergency services here.

You better tell the Met about that.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/m ... 67912.html

[Hexx]

Look of all the rapes by police officers, the flag is way down the list of importance.

[Return_of_the_STAR]

So typical of the left (Nike) to deface the flag. Wouldn't catch the right doing that.

That’s not a right wing flag. It’s a charity symbol and has no political affiliation.

https://www.thinbluelineuk.org.uk/about/

You’re thinking of the American blue line flag. Which was adopted by American far right organisations as a solidarity symbol with their police.

The kids below are not Hitler Youth Nazis. But once a hate group takes over and becomes associated with a symbol, it might be a good idea to have a rethink.

Well yes in America that’s true, but here the thin blue line flag isn’t associated with hatred to anywhere near the same degree.

The St Georges flag has a much bigger association with hate groups than the thin blue line Union Jack. I’ve only ever seen the thin blue, red or green line worn by emergency services here.

You better tell the Met about that.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/m ... 67912.html

This met?

https://www.met.police.uk/cy-GB/foi-ai/ ... ine-badge/

You may deem the symbol to be racist and that’s your opinion but that is not in anyway its intention or its wearers in this country. The majority of forces (I believe it may be all bar the met) allow it’s display with many chief constables and Crime Commissioners fully supportive.

Me personally I don’t own one. I do use a rainbow Tottenham pen at work though and very possibly choose to use it when dealing with certain people.

[Moggy]

So typical of the left (Nike) to deface the flag. Wouldn't catch the right doing that.

That’s not a right wing flag. It’s a charity symbol and has no political affiliation.

https://www.thinbluelineuk.org.uk/about/

You’re thinking of the American blue line flag. Which was adopted by American far right organisations as a solidarity symbol with their police.

The kids below are not Hitler Youth Nazis. But once a hate group takes over and becomes associated with a symbol, it might be a good idea to have a rethink.

Well yes in America that’s true, but here the thin blue line flag isn’t associated with hatred to anywhere near the same degree.

The St Georges flag has a much bigger association with hate groups than the thin blue line Union Jack. I’ve only ever seen the thin blue, red or green line worn by emergency services here.

You better tell the Met about that.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/m ... 67912.html

This met?

https://www.met.police.uk/cy-GB/foi-ai/ ... ine-badge/

You may deem the symbol to be racist and that’s your opinion but that is not in anyway its intention or its wearers in this country. The majority of forces (I believe it may be all bar the met) allow it’s display with many chief constables and Crime Commissioners fully supportive.

Me personally I don’t own one. I do use a rainbow Tottenham pen at work though and very possibly choose to use it when dealing with certain people.

I didn't say I deem it racist.

But it's increasingly associated with the far right American version. If the majority of people see it like that, then it is probably time for a change.

[Knoyleo]

So typical of the left (Nike) to deface the flag. Wouldn't catch the right doing that.

That’s not a right wing flag. It’s a charity symbol and has no political affiliation.

https://www.thinbluelineuk.org.uk/about/

You’re thinking of the American blue line flag. Which was adopted by American far right organisations as a solidarity symbol with their police.

It's only called racist when it's flying from a copper, when it's on a website it's called a charity symbol.

Glibness aside, the point Knoy was making is that this charity (alongside so many other organisations - see posts above!) have done exactly the same thing as Nike, but because the current England team are a symbol of everything the right wing hate it's now a problem.

Well no, he said the right had defaced it. But they didn’t. The right may be happy with it but they didn’t make it.

Me personally I don’t care what Nike have done with the flag. I think the colours look nice.

I only said defaced to mirror the way people are talking about the kit. I don't think either counts as defacing personally.

[Dowbocop]

So typical of the left (Nike) to deface the flag. Wouldn't catch the right doing that.

That’s not a right wing flag. It’s a charity symbol and has no political affiliation.

https://www.thinbluelineuk.org.uk/about/

You’re thinking of the American blue line flag. Which was adopted by American far right organisations as a solidarity symbol with their police.

It's only called racist when it's flying from a copper, when it's on a website it's called a charity symbol.

Glibness aside, the point Knoy was making is that this charity (alongside so many other organisations - see posts above!) have done exactly the same thing as Nike, but because the current England team are a symbol of everything the right wing hate it's now a problem.

Well no, he said the right had defaced it. But they didn’t. The right may be happy with it but they didn’t make it.

Me personally I don’t care what Nike have done with the flag. I think the colours look nice.

I only said defaced to mirror the way people are talking about the kit. I don't think either counts as defacing personally.

I don't think either side is defacing the flag either.

However, whether you agree with it or not (or believe it's political or not) the TBL Union Flag is quite clearly an icon with a message behind it from an advocacy group. The right wing "lornordah" crowd love this message and choose to amplify and support it.

Nike have made a "playful update" to the St George Cross (read: we need something to differentiate this from the last £100 shirt we asked you to buy). It has nothing to do with anyone even remotely involved with the left wing - but the same right wing crowd that love the TBL patches are complaining that the flag has been besmirched by the wOkE mOb! It hasn't, we had nothing to do with it

The problem is, and always has been, the right wing.

[Moggy]

Yeah! strawberry float Nike! Let's go back to red, white and....ummm....blue (???) England colours so that our kit looks like an upside down Russian flag.

[Carlos]

Wait until the press discover what King James VI did with the St. George’s Cross in 1606. Bloody Scots ruined a perfectly good white background.

[Moggy]

Wait until the press discover what King James VI did with the St. George’s Cross in 1606. Bloody Scots ruined a perfectly good white background.

[Grumpy David]

Say one thing, do another? The government’s record rise in net migration

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68626430

Pretty punchy article from the BBC. Highlights that the Tories rhetoric on migration is massively different to their policy choices.

At the moment, by the prime minister's admission, that balance is off. In November, Rishi Sunak acknowledged, "immigration is too high and needs to come down".

But his former Home Secretary Suella Braverman made a series of striking claims when I talked to her about Mr Sunak's approach.

"I think the prime minister has not necessarily assumed that it's an important issue for the British people," Ms Braverman says.

"'I struggled myself as home secretary, even to have a meaningful conversation with him about it. I was left to written correspondence on several occasions throughout a period of 12 months, putting forward policy proposals. But he refused to talk to me."

I was taken aback by this. I know there is little political love lost since Mr Sunak sacked Ms Braverman last year - but this is the home secretary during the time of one of the sharpest rises in net migration in the UK's history - claiming the prime minister wouldn't talk to her about it - at all - for a year.

I double-checked I had heard right. I had.

"We talked about the boats every week, twice a week. We talked to each other a lot about policing and security. On legal migration, I was unable to get a hearing with the prime minister for 12 months."

Given the importance of this issue to so many people, it is an extraordinary claim.

When we asked No 10 about this, it did not comment.

At the end of last year, the government announced plans to cut net migration by reducing the number of people coming to the UK by 300,000.

Remember, the latest estimate for net migration is 672,000 for the year to June 2023.

The estimate published just before the Brexit referendum - and which, at the time, Boris Johnson called "scandalous" - was 333,000. That estimate has now been revised down to 303,000.

So if the government meets its new target, that would take the numbers back towards where they were… just before the Brexit vote.

Looks like it's the subject of tonight's episode of Panorama.

twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1772274328375095306

By-election likely set to match with the local council elections on the 2nd of May so the turnout should be sizable compared to other recent by-elections.

[rinks]

Instead of quitting when he was first disgraced, he sits and takes the money, only jumping just before he’s pushed. Vile.

[Moggy]

It'll be the 23rd by-election since 2019.

[Tomous]

Instead of quitting when he was first disgraced, he sits and takes the money, only jumping just before he’s pushed. Vile.

Indeed. Though not a surprise that he did this given he was essentially taking bribes for information in the first place.

[Qikz]

It'll be the 23rd by-election since 2019.

As long as we're slowly dwindling the tory numbers they can have as many as they like - just 300 or something more to go.

[Tomous]

twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1772321715713982730

[Oblomov Boblomov]

The community note changes every time I see that tweet .

[Qikz]

"Sadiq Khan, Mayor of London, did not 'seize power' he was elected by voters"

[Moggy]

"Sadiq Khan, Mayor of London, did not 'seize power' he was elected by voters"

The Tories have imposed two Prime Ministers on us since the last election, the current PM wasn't even elected by Tory members.

But, yeah, Khan is the one who seized power.