Politics Thread 7: Dishy Rishi's Cabinet of Horrors

[Moggy]

Pledge 14 is genuinely a brilliant idea.

[Carlos]

Given that the crown technically controls all the land of Great Britain I assume that the loonies at Britain First will be calling for an end to the monarchy?

[Dowbocop]

Would unironically vote for a candidate who wants to dunk corporate honchos in the literal mess of their own creation. If only I still lived in London.

I think the UK should build a conference centre on Salisbury Plain, and if you want a licence to sell weapons in our country you need to hold one of your meetings there per year during a live fire exercise with your own merchandise. If you're really selling "smart bombs" then it'll be fine

[Moggy]

Given that the crown technically controls all the land of Great Britain I assume that the loonies at Britain First will be calling for an end to the monarchy?

No, they want to find and crown the descendant of Harold Godwinson because they are sick of the bloody Norman's coming over here and wearing our crowns.

[Grumpy David]

Pledge 14 is genuinely a brilliant idea.

Night Mayor on Elm Street.

twitter.com/CountBinface/status/1384871230239645702

I'm a single issue voter, sorting out that hand dryer location is a must!

[Rocsteady]

Received my London mayoral election booklet in the post today. Right motley crew in here...





Cox out.

Candidates have to pay £10,000 to be in that booklet.

"Useage" stupid banana splits, maybe BF can use some of the 'billions" they'll save on migrant hotels on someone who can use a spell checker.

I don't get the SDP one, I thought they're left wing

[Moggy]

I don't get the SDP one, I thought they're left wing

The original SDP was left wing. This is a newer party using the same name and they are very very right wing.

[Grumpy David]

I don't get the SDP one, I thought they're left wing

The original SDP was left wing. This is a newer party using the same name and they are very very right wing.

I originally thought it was a new party using the same name (having assumed the SDP were defunct) but it's actually the same party.

Their current combination of leftwing economics (renationalisation of railways and utilities and a moratorium on buy-to-let mortgages) and rightwing on social issues seems to have occurred around 2018 with a change in Party leader.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67871119

The quote here has the party leader describing the party as "Conservative Left" and the London Mayoral candidate describes the SDP as aligned with her "culturally conservative and economical left" views. The always reliable Wikipedia has them showing as: Fiscal: Centre-left and Social: Centre-right.

[Moggy]

I originally thought it was a new party using the same name (having assumed the SDP were defunct) but it's actually the same party.

The original SDP dissolved in 1988.

This SDP was founded in 1990. They may claim to be the same party, but they aren't.

You're right that they promise some lefty sounding stuff. But so did the BNP. It's the classic Nazi tactic (I'm not accusing the SDP of being actual Nazis) of pretending to be for the working man, while planning to implement far right policies.

[satriales]

My wife did one of those 'which party do you most align with?' questionnaires and it came back with Count Binface

[Grumpy David]

I originally thought it was a new party using the same name (having assumed the SDP were defunct) but it's actually the same party.

The original SDP dissolved in 1988.

This SDP was founded in 1990. They may claim to be the same party, but they aren't.

You're right that they promise some lefty sounding stuff. But so did the BNP. It's the classic Nazi tactic (I'm not accusing the SDP of being actual Nazis) of pretending to be for the working man, while planning to implement far right policies.

Ah, when you said it was a newer party I thought you meant within the last few years (so coinciding with the change of direction a few years ago being mistaken as a brand new party).

The BNP were always best described as "1980s Labour with added racism" since their economics were so clearly on the left.

Shows the limitations of using left and right as descriptors when parties aren't left or right on both fiscal and social issues. Certain issues don't cleave cleanly to the left or right. Something like high levels of legal migration are a pro-business policy which is why trade unions have often disliked it (a wider pool of labour weakening bargaining power) and why historically Labour were socially conservative on the issue.

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One day, Count Binface is going to win an election, and that day will be glorious.

[Moggy]

Shows the limitations of using left and right as descriptors when parties aren't left or right on both fiscal and social issues.

I completely agree with that. Fitting everything into left or right just doesn't work in a lot of cases.

Even individually it often falls down. I know some very working class people who are pro union, pro workers rights, they hate billionaires etc etc. But they are also very racist, homophobic and love the "people on benefits with flat screen TVs!" trope.

I think the left/right description is too ingrained now for it to ever change to more accurate descriptors. It's all the fault of the French Revolution

[Cuttooth]

twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1778479442634920029

Didn't this fuel a lot of racist rhetoric at the time in the Commons and elsewhere, as well as direct attacks on the Church for being too kind to asylum seekers?

[Moggy]

direct attacks on the Church for being too kind to asylum seekers?

"THIS IS A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY!!"

"So we should be kind to asylum seekers?"

"strawberry float NO!"

[Cuttooth]

twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1778133089295700047

twitter.com/DrFrancesRyan/status/1778706742878077330

Enabling ghouls like Streeting will forever be the worst political mistake of my life.

[Tomous]

Is Wes Streeting a Tory plant that has infiltrated the Labour party?

Genuine question.

[Balladeer]

Oh God, he's Labour!? I read the above (without clicking through, my sanity is already fragile) and assumed he was some GB News grifter or something. Sickening.

[Tomous]

Oh God, he's Labour!? I read the above (without clicking through, my sanity is already fragile) and assumed he was some GB News grifter or something. Sickening.

He's the Shadow Health Sec so expect further NHS privatisation if Labour get in.

[DML]

I'm not sure I can vote for a party that has Wes Streeting involved. Hes disgusting.