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Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:43 am
by Memento Mori
Preezy wrote:Which channel had the reporter that was going through the belongings of victims of that aeroplane that got shot down in the Ukraine? That was a line in the sand for me, hard to have much respect for modern news outlets after that.
Sky News I believe.
Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:44 am
by Preezy
Quelle surprise.
Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:31 pm
by KK
Saint of Killers wrote:The only way they can do anything is if the government increases intelligence services and police budgets (my thinking being they'd then be able to keep more people of interest under surveillance), but even that isn't a guaranteed way of stopping known people from doing this kind of gooseberry fool.
It takes around 30 people in the police and intelligence communities to keep just 1 person on 24 hour surveillance. It's an impossible task.
Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:32 pm
by Squinty
Anybody who uses social media to circulate pictures of victims is just helping to create fear, which was ultimately one of the intended goals of the perpetrator.
I understand the need for these things to be reported, but photos/video being circulated is beyond intrusive and counter-productive. Personally, I would not want my image to be sent throughout the world if I was hurt in something like this. It's completely disrespectful to the individuals choice.
Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:43 pm
by Tomous
KKLEIN wrote:Saint of Killers wrote:The only way they can do anything is if the government increases intelligence services and police budgets (my thinking being they'd then be able to keep more people of interest under surveillance), but even that isn't a guaranteed way of stopping known people from doing this kind of gooseberry fool.
It takes around 30 people in the police and intelligence communities to keep just 1 person on 24 hour surveillance. It's an impossible task.
My knowledge of counter terrorism and the intelligence community is derived almost entirely from TV shows like Homeland, 24 etc but 30 people to track one person for 24 hours seems excessive to me
Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:29 pm
by KK
It's actually 20-25, my mistake.
Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:49 pm
by OrangeRKN
Any idea how that actually breaks down, out of interest? I'm guessing physical surveillance is at least two people per shift with three 8 hour shifts a day, then similar for phone/internet surveillance. Then there is probably a ton of record keeping/bureaucracy?
Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:26 pm
by Memento Mori
OrangeRakoon wrote:Any idea how that actually breaks down, out of interest? I'm guessing physical surveillance is at least two people per shift with three 8 hour shifts a day, then similar for phone/internet surveillance. Then there is probably a ton of record keeping/bureaucracy?
5 person team on the ground minimum is what I heard from a former policeman on TV today.
Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:19 pm
by Gandalf
Third victim named, Kurt Cochran from Utah. He was touring Europe with his wife as part of 25 year wedding anniversary.
Edit:
Says on Sky News his wife is in hospital with a few broken bones, not one of the critical victims.
The second victim named Aysha Frade, was walking on the bridge to collect her two daughters, aged 8 and 11, from school.
Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:36 pm
by Moggy
Khalid Masood has been named as the man who attacked Westminster on Wednesday, killing at least three people and injuring around 40 more.
Born in Kent, the 52-year-old was known to MI5 and is understood to have acted alone. He was investigated “some years ago” as part of a historic investigation into violent extremism but was a peripheral figure.
His first conviction was in November 1983 for criminal damage and his last conviction was in December 2003 for possession of a knife.
Masood was not the subject of any current investigations and there was no prior intelligence about his intent to mount a terrorist attack.
Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:09 pm
by Preezy
Well hopefully he'll rot in jail for the rest of his days, assuming he doesn't die from his injuries. Piece of gooseberry fool.
Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:21 pm
by Squinty
He's dead Jim.
Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:23 pm
by Preezy
Ah, I thought he survived? Oh well, enjoy oblivion
Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:40 pm
by SEP
Preezy wrote:Oh well, enjoy oblivion
Nah, someone like him deserves Two Worlds, instead.
Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:58 pm
by Ironhide
Somebody Else's Problem wrote:Preezy wrote:Oh well, enjoy oblivion
Nah, someone like him deserves Two Worlds, instead.
Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:25 pm
by Meep
Already certain elements in the press are calling for more draconian policing and a complete removal of any kind of privacy. They don't even pause to show some respect to the victims before using their bodies as a means to advance authoritarian attitudes. Disgusting. Of course, they probably know that if they wait for cooler heads to prevail then reason will always triumph over sensationalism.
I have been largely hearted by the response of the public to the attack. We will not be easily cowed by these kinds of atrocities.
Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:57 pm
by captain red dog
The BBC are doing a nice little puff piece with Teresa May's stale and cold speech last night cut over images of Londoners going about their business today. I'm pretty much disgusted by all the media coverage of this.
Edit: Laura Kuenssberg has such an irritating reporting style.
Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:58 pm
by Snowcannon
One good thing the BBC have done is not opening up HYS. God knows what bile the usual bigots would come up if they had
Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:23 pm
by Dblock
strawberry floated up.
Re: Terrorist incident outside Parliament
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:31 am
by Grumpy David
twitter.com/SkyNews/status/845040231963381760
At first I thought DM was asking me to Google "The Terrorists' friend" then I realised they were blaming Google. The wheel, the Terrorists' friend.
