"The 13 impossible crises that humanity now faces" - George Monbiot

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Post"The 13 impossible crises that humanity now faces" - George Monbiot
by Herdanos » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:08 pm

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George Monbiot wrote:From Trump to climate change, this multiheaded crisis presages collapse. And there’s no hope of exiting the ‘other side’ if political alternatives are shut down

Please don’t read this unless you are feeling strong. This is a list of 13 major crises that, I believe, confront us. There may be more. Please feel free to add to it or to knock it down. I’m sorry to say that it’s not happy reading.

1. Donald Trump
The next occupant of the White House will be a man who appears to possess no capacity for restraint, balance or empathy, but a bottomless capacity for revenge and vindictiveness. He has been granted a clean sweep of power, with both houses and the supreme court in his pocket. He is surrounding himself with people whose judgment and knowledge of the world are, to say the least, limited. He will take charge of the world’s biggest nuclear and conventional arsenals, and the most extensive surveillance and security apparatus any state has ever developed.

2. His national security adviser
In making strategic military decisions, he has a free hand, with the capacity to act even without the nominal constraint of Congress. His national security adviser, Michael T Flynn, is a dangerous extremist.

3. The rest of his team
Trump’s team is partly composed of professional lobbyists hired by fossil fuel, tobacco, chemical and finance companies and assorted billionaires. Their primary political effort is to avoid regulation and taxation. These people – or rather the interests they represent – are now in charge. Aside from the implications for the living world, public health, public finance and financial stability, this is a vindication of the political model pioneered by the tobacco companies in the 1960s. It demonstrates that if you spend enough money setting up thinktanks, academic posts and fake grassroots movements, and work with the corporate media to give them a platform, you can buy all the politics you need. Democracy becomes a dead letter. Political alternatives are shut down.

4. The transatlantic backdrop
Meanwhile, on this side of the Atlantic, Britain’s attempts to disentangle itself from the European Union are confronted with a level of complexity that may be insuperable. Moreover, there may be no answer to the political fix in which the government finds itself. This is as follows: a) either it agrees to the free movement of people in exchange for access to the single market, in which case the pro-Brexit camp will have gained nothing except massive embarrassment, or b) the EU slams the shutters down. Not only is it likely to reject the terms the government proposes; but it might also try to impose an exit bill of about €60 billion for the costs incurred by our withdrawal. This would be politically impossible for the government to pay, leading to a non-negotiated rupture and the hardest imaginable Brexit.

5. Eurozone risks
The Italian banking crisis looks big. What impact this might have on the survival of the eurozone is anyone’s guess.

6. … and their global ramifications
Whether it is also sufficient to trigger another global financial crisis is again hard to judge. If such a thing were to occur, governments would not be able to mount a rescue plan of the kind they used in 2007-8. The coffers are empty.

7. Job-eating automation
Automation will destroy jobs on an unprecedented scale, and because the penetration of information technology into every part of the economy is not a passing phase but an escalating trend, it is hard to see how this employment will be replaced. No government or major political party anywhere shows any sign of comprehending the scale of this issue.

8. If Marine Le Pen wins
Marine Le Pen has a moderate to fair chance of becoming the French president in May. Whether this would be sufficient to trigger the collapse of the EU is another unknown. If this is not a sufficient crisis, there are several others lining up (especially the growing nationalist movements across central and eastern Europe in particular, but to a lesser extent almost everywhere) that could catalyse a chain reaction. I believe that when this begins, it will happen with a speed that will take almost everyone by surprise. From one month to the next, the EU could cease to exist.

9. The UN security council would look like …
If Le Pen wins, the permanent members of the UN security council will be represented by the following people: Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, Theresa May and Marine Le Pen. It would be a stretch to call that reassuring.

10. The Paris climate agreement trashed
National climate change programmes bear no connection to the commitments governments made at Paris. Even if these programmes are fully implemented (they won’t be), they set us on a climate-change trajectory way beyond that envisaged by the agreement. And this is before we know what Trump will do.

11. … and the effects on migration
One of the many impacts of climate breakdown – aside from such minor matters as the inundation of cities, the loss of food production and curtailment of water supplies – will be the mass movement of people, to an extent that dwarfs current migration. The humanitarian, political and military implications are off the scale.

12. … with just 60 harvests left
According to the UN food and agriculture organisation, at current rates of soil loss we have 60 years of harvests left.

13. … an accelerating extinction crisis
The extinction crisis appears, if anything, to be accelerating.

Enough already? Sorry, no. One of the peculiarities of this complex, multiheaded crisis is that there appears to be no “other side” on to which we might emerge. It is hard to imagine a realistic scenario in which governments lose the capacity for total surveillance and drone strikes; in which billionaires forget how to manipulate public opinion; in which a broken EU reconvenes; in which climate breakdown unhappens, species return from extinction and the soil comes back to the land. These are not momentary crises, but appear to presage permanent collapse.

So the key question is not how we weather them but how – if this is possible – we avert them. Can it be done? If so what would it take?

I write this not to depress you, though I know it will have that effect, but to concentrate our minds on the scale of the task.


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PostRe: "The 13 impossible crises that humanity now faces" - George Monbiot
by smurphy » Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:02 pm

Fries. Wedges. Crisps? wrote:12. … with just 60 harvests left
According to the UN food and agriculture organisation, at current rates of soil loss we have 60 years of harvests left.


Will probably be dead by then. :datass:

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:08 pm

smurphy wrote:
Fries. Wedges. Crisps? wrote:12. … with just 60 harvests left
According to the UN food and agriculture organisation, at current rates of soil loss we have 60 years of harvests left.


Will probably be dead by then. :datass:


Or we can just eat quorn and take vitamins, we'll be fine.

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by Kezzer » Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:14 pm

Fries. Wedges. Crisps? wrote:
We need experts more than ever.




The so called 'experts' got us into this mess!





Note: This is a joke post and not my actually stance on world affairs.

This post is exempt from the No Context Thread.

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PostRe: "The 13 impossible crises that humanity now faces" - George Monbiot
by Shadow » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:39 pm

What's with the 60 harvests thing? Surely there's loads of unused soil?

And I admire George's bleak look on the world, but there are loads of great things coming in the near future too.

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by Lotus » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:55 pm

Shadow wrote:And I admire George's bleak look on the world, but there are loads of great things coming in the near future too.

It's not a Guardian piece unless it's telling us; what we should be scared and/or worried about, what we should be feeling guilty about, or why what we think is bad and wrong and how we should just do and think as the Guardian tells us.

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by That » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:00 pm

Lotus wrote:
Shadow wrote:And I admire George's bleak look on the world, but there are loads of great things coming in the near future too.

It's not a Guardian piece unless it's telling us; what we should be scared and/or worried about, what we should be feeling guilty about, or why what we think is bad and wrong and how we should just do and think as the Guardian tells us.

This is true of every newspaper to be fair.

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by Alvin Flummux » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:18 pm

Shadow wrote:What's with the 60 harvests thing? Surely there's loads of unused soil?

And I admire George's bleak look on the world, but there are loads of great things coming in the near future too.


What are we going to do, strip the half of the world that isn't arable of its soil and put it on the arable half?

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by Moggy » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:22 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:
Shadow wrote:What's with the 60 harvests thing? Surely there's loads of unused soil?

And I admire George's bleak look on the world, but there are loads of great things coming in the near future too.


What are we going to do, strip the half of the world that isn't arable of its soil and put it on the arable half?


As long as we still have stripping we will be fine. :datass:

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by NickSCFC » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:10 pm

#11 is basically the reason for all the above happening.

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by Irene Demova » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:15 pm

NickSCFC wrote:#11 is basically the reason for all the above happening.

Yes nick it's migration that's destroying farmland and causing attempts to stop global warming to be scaled down rather than ramped up

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by Alvin Flummux » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:26 pm

#11 is an unprecedented wave of human migration unlike anything we have seen before, at least for much of known history, generated by the disastrous effects of climate change if it gets worse than the lowest projections. It isn't happening yet, NickSCFC.

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by Rocsteady » Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:04 am

NickSCFC wrote:#11 is basically the reason for all the above happening.

10/10 understanding of the article.

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PostRe: "The 13 impossible crises that humanity now faces" - George Monbiot
by Parksey » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:30 am

Bloody foreigners, coming over here and taking our soil.

Us proud Britainics have poured blood and sweat into that soil. Literally in my case, as I fell over once whilst running.

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by Moggy » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:47 am

NickSCFC wrote:#11 is basically the reason for all the above happening.


Immigrants are causing automation? Is there nothing they won't do to ruin us. :x

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by Squinty » Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:31 am

Alvin Flummux wrote:#11 is an unprecedented wave of human migration unlike anything we have seen before, at least for much of known history, generated by the disastrous effects of climate change if it gets worse than the lowest projections. It isn't happening yet, NickSCFC.


Situation could get a lot worse in the oncoming decades.

Can't say I blame people for wanting a better life. We have it pretty good here, all things considered.

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by bear » Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:19 am

Quite surprising how many of the issues could be sorted out by condoms.


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