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PostRe: Red Dead Redemption 2 - 26/10 - Brexit ✅ Trump ✅ RDR2 Pre-order
by Saint of Killers » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:28 pm

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Saint of Killers wrote:Surely I can't be the only one who's pre-ordered? I mean, what do the rest of you, who buy physical, do? Order on the day? Go to a bricks and mortar like a strawberry floating caveman? Also, pre-ordering isn't the same the world over; it only became a huge issue because in the US you have to put a deposit down when you pre-order. That's never been the case in the UK and so shouldn't be frowned upon. Quit being such sheep! (Or I'll shear you and make a sweet gun cosy out of your wool.)

Edit: 'Forced' because someone else wants to play it and twisted my arm to pre-order it.


For me it's more about the marketing trend behind it and, make no mistake, pre-ordering is a marketing strategy. Full stop. It's a way for publishers to go back to their shareholders before a game is released and say "Look how good we've been! Look how much money we've made for you!" regardless of the quality of the game itself. This pushes the publishers' priority away from making good games and towards marketing.

It also leads to more pre-order incentives such as the RDR tat-package discussed previously, and encourages pubs to excise game content for pre-order exclusives.

It's certainly not a mortal sin or anything, and of course people are free to do as they please, but it's a practice that benefits only the publishers.

etc etc what do I know?


Then maybe quit with the condescending facepalms?

I'm no fan of the way Ubi, et al release so ridiculous a number of different versions of their games that a strawberry floating pictogram is needed to figure out which version comes with what. Despite that I'm having a hard time recalling their marketing practices being at fault for stinking the joint out. (I've played WD2, Origins and Wildlands and only disliked Wildlands. Though I guess Odyssey's microtransactions could be blamed on marketing...) And if RDR2 sucks it's not going to be because horse armour was pre-order exclusive. Also, your take on the whys and wherefores of pre-orders, which I have no doubt is something you honestly believe, ignores the positive effects good pre-order numbers may have on the morale of the development team.

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PostRe: Red Dead Redemption 2 - PS4, XB1 - 26/10 - Brexit ✅ Trump ✅ RDR2 Pre-order
by Tafdolphin » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:35 pm

Ok! I will say I didn't really ignore the positives as, like I said, there aren't any. But also like I said you're obviously free to do as you wish. I

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PostRe: Red Dead Redemption 2 - 26/10 - Brexit ✅ Trump ✅ RDR2 Pre-order
by Saint of Killers » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:38 pm

If you have some first-hand insight and are able to share it then do so. If not...

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S: Neither was the last one. It was a robbery. M: Really? S: Yeah. She stole my heart. And my crown. (❍ᴥ❍ʋ)
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PostRe: Red Dead Redemption 2 - 26/10 - Brexit ✅ Trump ✅ RDR2 Pre-order
by Tafdolphin » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:44 pm

Saint of Killers wrote:If you have some first-hand insight and are able to share it then do so. If not...


I'm glad you asked!

Stop Preordering Video Games

Want to know why there aren't any demos anymore? This is why. Want to know why content is withheld from everyone's game and is instead sprinkled across various competing retailers? This is why. Want to know why there's now an accepted norm where those paying more for a game can sometimes gain competitive advantages? This is why. Publishers don't need to sell you on their games, because by slavishly throwing money down before they're even out, you've signalled your intent to take whatever it is they give you.


https://kotaku.com/5909105/stop-preorde ... mes-please

'Far Cry 5' Is A Good Example Of Why Pre-Ordering A Game Is A Bad Idea

The point of preordering a game used to be to guarantee yourself a copy on day one. But today? For a massive tentpole release? It's highly unlikely anyone will run out of physical discs, and certainly nobody's going to run out of downloads. Today, preordering benefits the game's publisher, or GameStop, but not the consumer. And those who benefit know that—hence the increasingly elaborate bonus gewgaws they offer you in return for your money.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinmurna ... 611e9015d2

Why preordering games is never a good idea

The industry relies heavily on publicity to influence sales. I’d like to believe that gamers know not to jump to conclusions about any particular title, no matter how much hype it gets. Why else would so many publishers include such an abundance of preorder bonuses if not to coax us out of our disbelief? In any case, saving money by purchasing wisely is a much easier task to accomplish. Most gamers would not even begin to think about putting their money down toward a game that they know they will not enjoy. So is it really worth paying to reserve a copy of a new release when we don’t even know how good the game will be?


https://venturebeat.com/community/2013/ ... good-idea/

You should never, ever, preorder a video game

Game distributors and retailers also use preorder data to gauge interest in a title. They're basically using your donation to measure how successful a marketing campaign is even before anyone has played the game. And once you've pledged those few dollars, odds are you'll be back come release day. If not, the money stays with the retailer, where you'll most likely use it on another title -- or even worse, forget about it.


https://www.cnet.com/news/you-should-ne ... ideo-game/

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PostRe: Red Dead Redemption 2 - 26/10 - Brexit ✅ Trump ✅ RDR2 Pre-order
by Saint of Killers » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:46 pm

edit: oh great. An info dump. Will read later.

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PostRe: Red Dead Redemption 2 - 26/10 - Brexit ✅ Trump ✅ RDR2 Pre-order
by Tafdolphin » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:46 pm

Saint of Killers wrote:
edit: oh great. An info dump. Will read later.


:slol: You asked! I highlighted the titles incase you weren't feeling up to reading the whole thing.

It's not worse than piracy no, but that's pure whataboutism and has nothing to do with the subject at hand. It's bad. You're free to do it, but it's bad

EDIT: That subject change! :nod:

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PostRe: Red Dead Redemption 2 - 26/10 - Brexit ✅ Trump ✅ RDR2 Pre-order
by Saint of Killers » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:49 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:
Saint of Killers wrote:
edit: oh great. An info dump. Will read later.


:slol: You asked! I highlighted the titles incase you weren't feeling up to reading the whole thing.

It's not worse than piracy no, but that's pure whataboutism and has nothing to do with the subject at hand. It's bad. You're free to do it, but it's bad

EDIT: That subject change! :nod:


Hence the deleted post. Apologies.

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S: Neither was the last one. It was a robbery. M: Really? S: Yeah. She stole my heart. And my crown. (❍ᴥ❍ʋ)
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PostRe: Red Dead Redemption 2 - PS4, XB1 - 26/10 - 105GB install
by KjGarly » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:53 pm

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Tafdolphin wrote::fp:

*don't pre-order games*


But what if they run out of digital copies on release day?


Any digital extras only available when preordering? I bought Astro Bot on release day when if I'd bought it the night before I would have gotten the soundtrack (which is unavailable on Spotify :x ) and a nice theme, so was gutted I missed out on those.

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PostRe: Red Dead Redemption 2 - 26/10 - Brexit ✅ Trump ✅ RDR2 Pre-order
by Tafdolphin » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:53 pm

Saint of Killers wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:
Saint of Killers wrote:
edit: oh great. An info dump. Will read later.


:slol: You asked! I highlighted the titles incase you weren't feeling up to reading the whole thing.

It's not worse than piracy no, but that's pure whataboutism and has nothing to do with the subject at hand. It's bad. You're free to do it, but it's bad

EDIT: That subject change! :nod:


Hence the deleted post. Apologies.


No worries!

Like I've said before, when posting about specific subjects (as we are now) it's very easy to infer that the subject is of a higher import than it actually is. Pre-ordering is obvs completely normal, it's just a bit silly in this day and age.

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PostRe: Red Dead Redemption 2 - 26/10 - Brexit ✅ Trump ✅ RDR2 Pre-order
by The Watching Artist » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:10 pm

Came into the thread to look at an unexpected Star Wars tie-in. Was disappointed. :(

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PostRe: Red Dead Redemption 2 - 26/10 - Brexit ✅ Trump ✅ RDR2 Pre-order
by floydfreak » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:59 pm

70 main quest missions isn't that the same roughly as GTA'5?

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by DarkRula » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:00 pm

GTA V was 69 'cus, you know. Running joke.

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PostRe: Red Dead Redemption 2 - 26/10 - Brexit ✅ Trump ✅ RDR2 Pre-order
by Gemini73 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:02 pm

Can't remember the last time I pre-ordered a game and mostly because, well, unless you're after a limited edition set of one type or another pre-ordering is a bit pointless this day and age.

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PostRe: Red Dead Redemption 2 - 26/10 - Brexit ✅ Trump ✅ RDR2 Pre-order
by abcd » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:12 pm

I've pre-ordered from Amazon.

I hope they don't run out of copies

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by DarkRula » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:18 pm

You'll probably be disappointed.

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PostRe: Red Dead Redemption 2 - 26/10 - Brexit ✅ Trump ✅ RDR2 Pre-order
by Denster » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:50 pm

I pre ordered Black Ops. Now I have an awesome calling card and you don't. Ner!

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PostRe: Red Dead Redemption 2 - 26/10 - Brexit ✅ Trump ✅ RDR2 Pre-order
by jiggles » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:56 pm

I preorder games so I can preload them and get it at a lower price if digital, or get them 1-3 days early if physical.

But mostly because I strawberry floating want to.

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by Rubix » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:57 pm

Are there any sub £50 pre orders?

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PostRe: Red Dead Redemption 2 - 26/10 - Brexit ✅ Trump ✅ RDR2 Pre-order
by Denster » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:38 am

Nice feature on this in the latest EDGE. They had six hours with it from the start. Sounds very promising.

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PostRe: Red Dead Redemption 2 - 26/10 - Brexit ✅ Trump ✅ RDR2 Pre-order
by Saint of Killers » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:14 am

Gemini73 wrote:Can't remember the last time I pre-ordered a game and mostly because, well, unless you're after a limited edition set of one type or another pre-ordering is a bit pointless this day and age.


Sure, if you have a bricks and mortar store near you. How do supermarket/specialist store game prices compare to online?

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S: Neither was the last one. It was a robbery. M: Really? S: Yeah. She stole my heart. And my crown. (❍ᴥ❍ʋ)

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