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Moggy wrote:"Hey guys, don't you think socialised healthcare might be a good idea?"

Hey, don't bring your Commy Nazi economy wrecking ideas in here.

twitter.com/ldobsonhughes/status/859922258495713280

They're literally taking healthcare away from rape victims.

This is the bill Paul Ryan said would define the Republican party. I think it already has.

It won't get passed.

Drumstick wrote:It won't get passed.

https://news.vice.com/story/republicans ... -cbo-score

Breaking news this morning was the Senate Majority Leader telling reporters that, after an $8 billion addition to cover pre-existing conditions (which amounts to coverage for 76 000 people, of the 12 million who have PECs) they now have the votes. Goes to the floor ~~on Saturday~~ today apparently.

EDIT: Although

Even if the bill passes the House tomorrow, its fate is still uncertain in the Republican-led Senate. Many Republican Senators, who have mostly muted their criticism in recent weeks, initially expressed deep reservations about the first Trumpcare bill, citing its cuts to Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion, and the Senate is expected to make significant changes should it pass the House.

Oh, and it has a caveat that excludes all members of Congress. So they get to keep their Obamacare perks. Because of course it does.

Drumstick wrote:It won't get passed.

It may well pass the House, as the vote is being held today, rather than after the week-long recess that starts today that would undoubtedly see moderate conservatives turned against the bill by their constituents.

Gotta deny the people their voice, y'know?

The Senate's a whole different ball game though, and it's not likely to pass there, but Ryan only needs to show he made a hard effort in his own house. If it doesn't pass today, his career's in real jeopardy, as are the prospects of any repeal at all.

I'm saying it won't pass in the Senate. I'd give them a reasonable chance of getting it through the House.

The AHCA bill passed the House 216 votes for vs 211 against. Now it goes to the Senate, where it'll probably be rewritten so heavily that, if it makes it back to the House for a vote, the Freedom Caucus will vote it down without hesitation.

Ryan's career is sadly safe for now, but the bill's future is not going to be a happy one, and the Democrats have been handed a massive cudgel with which to beat the congressional GOP for years.

PostRe: The American Politics Thread by KK » Thu May 04, 2017 8:20 pm

Watching Trump speak now.

So much backslapping from his cronies.

At least he's retiring from public life next year, not seeking re-election. The banana split.

PostRe: The American Politics Thread by **Photek** » Fri May 05, 2017 1:21 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:The AHCA bill passed the House 216 votes for vs 211 against. Now it goes to the Senate, where it'll probably be rewritten so heavily that, if it makes it back to the House for a vote, the Freedom Caucus will vote it down without hesitation.

Ryan's career is sadly safe for now, but the bill's future is not going to be a happy one, and the Democrats have been handed a massive cudgel with which to beat the congressional GOP for years.

Do US citizens even know how absolutely abhorrent the bill is? I hope to god they do, I don't believe such a blatant and scandalous bill would get close to most European governments, it's so insane what goes on in the US.

PostRe: The American Politics Thread by **Rax** » Fri May 05, 2017 2:11 pm

Photek wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:The AHCA bill passed the House 216 votes for vs 211 against. Now it goes to the Senate, where it'll probably be rewritten so heavily that, if it makes it back to the House for a vote, the Freedom Caucus will vote it down without hesitation.

Ryan's career is sadly safe for now, but the bill's future is not going to be a happy one, and the Democrats have been handed a massive cudgel with which to beat the congressional GOP for years.

Do US citizens even know how absolutely abhorrent the bill is? I hope to god they do, I don't believe such a blatant and scandalous bill would get close to most European governments, it's so insane what goes on in the US.

Nope. Theyll all be told that this is the best way, that they wont have to pay for other peoples medical bills, its not evil socialism, its glorious capitalism so its the right thing to do. Then theyll all go buy a firearm and wave the american flag out the window of their pickup truck and everything will be a-ok.

I think some Americans honestly think that if you have any kind of socialised medicine poor people will all go out and get injured and diseased just for the lol's and to piss off conservatives.
They look at the NHS and think someone like me would just visit a GP for a trip outside because hell, it's free and do the same with A&E.

It's just weird.

PostRe: The American Politics Thread by **Garth** » Fri May 05, 2017 2:34 pm

Trump praises Australia's universal health care after Obamacare repeal

Hours after scoring a victory in the House to effectively kill Obamacare, US President Donald Trump praised Australia's universal health care system during a press conference with Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull.

"It's going to be fantastic health care," Trump said, referring to his new health care plan. "I shouldn't say this to our great gentleman and my friend from Australia because you have better health care than we do."

US Senator Bernie Sanders quickly picked up on the remark which came after Trump's new bill passed by a handful of votes. The new law still has to pass the US Senate.

"Well Mr President, you're right, in Australia and every other major country on Earth they guarantee health care to all people. They don't throw 24 million people off health insurance. So maybe when we get to the Senate we should start off with looking at the Australian health care system," Sanders told CNN's Anderson Cooper.

Australia has a universal health care system, known as Medicare, which gives citizens free access to doctors and public hospitals paid for by the government.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/04/polit ... index.html

:lol:

PostRe: The American Politics Thread by **Lex-Man** » Fri May 05, 2017 2:46 pm

Garth wrote:
Trump praises Australia's universal health care after Obamacare repeal

Hours after scoring a victory in the House to effectively kill Obamacare, US President Donald Trump praised Australia's universal health care system during a press conference with Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull.

"It's going to be fantastic health care," Trump said, referring to his new health care plan. "I shouldn't say this to our great gentleman and my friend from Australia because you have better health care than we do."

US Senator Bernie Sanders quickly picked up on the remark which came after Trump's new bill passed by a handful of votes. The new law still has to pass the US Senate.

"Well Mr President, you're right, in Australia and every other major country on Earth they guarantee health care to all people. They don't throw 24 million people off health insurance. So maybe when we get to the Senate we should start off with looking at the Australian health care system," Sanders told CNN's Anderson Cooper.

Australia has a universal health care system, known as Medicare, which gives citizens free access to doctors and public hospitals paid for by the government.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/04/polit ... index.html

That's brilliant :fp:

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if the US reached a situation where only the rich have any sort of healthcare coverage paid for by any kind of government help. Americans seem to be oblivious that they're voting against their own interests and that healthcare is somehow a luxury that the supposed richest country on earth just can't afford. They think it's fine that people end up going bankrupt just because they get cancer as they obviously must have made terrible lifestyle choices.

PostRe: The American Politics Thread by **Rax** » Fri May 05, 2017 3:09 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:I think some Americans honestly think that if you have any kind of socialised medicine poor people will all go out and get injured and diseased just for the lol's and to piss off conservatives.
They look at the NHS and think someone like me would just visit a GP for a trip outside because hell, it's free and do the same with A&E.

It's just weird.

That seems to be the mindset of the majority form what I can tell. Even in more liberal areas theres a belief that they shouldnt be forced to pay for others medical bills. Its some kind of weird hangover from Cold War propaganda that socialism and communism are the worst things imaginable. They genuinely believe its a better situation if you have to work for everything and if you cant afford things then its because you didnt work hard enough not because the system is wrong. Its terrifying to see otherwise intelligent people say that peoples access to healthcare should be dependent on their individual earning ability. The American Dream, work harder and some day you too can be a human being.

It's why Americans are so amazed when they hear that Europeans actually take more than 20 days holiday a year and act like doing so will cripple any company you work for. Somehow it's fine for a CEO to take long breaks (hey they have all that extra responsibility and the pressure of only getting monster pay-offs if they get fired rather than the strawberry float all that most people get) but for everyone else going on holiday and actually having enough time to relax is flat out communism.

PostRe: The American Politics Thread by **Rax** » Fri May 05, 2017 3:29 pm

Those are days I could be working my way to the top, then Ill be the CEO and get that monster payoff. :datass:

Rax wrote:Those are days I could be working my way to the top, then Ill be the CEO and get that monster payoff.

How the hell have you got time to post on here you communist slacker :roll:

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Get back to work

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread by **Rax** » Fri May 05, 2017 3:38 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:
Rax wrote:Those are days I could be working my way to the top, then Ill be the CEO and get that monster payoff.

How the hell have you got time to post on here you communist slacker .
Get back to work .

I work smarter, not harder. :toot:

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