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by Moggy » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:57 am

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captain red dog wrote:The depressing thing for me is that Trump is actually right about the mainstream media, it's just that coming from him nobody takes it seriously. Nearly every story I read these days from a mainstream news site requires you to really look into it and do your own fact checking because chances are there will be a level of bullshit creating a slanted narrative.

Literally can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. :dread:

Slant all you want, facts are facts, only a couple of outlets aren't reporting facts (infowars, breitbart).


Photek is FAKE NEWS. Sad!
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by KK » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:12 am

In a heated exchange between Newsnight's Evan Davis and an aide to President Trump, both the presenter and the BBC were accused of "fake news".

Video at the link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39000118
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by Rocsteady » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:16 am

captain red dog wrote:The depressing thing for me is that Trump is actually right about the mainstream media, it's just that coming from him nobody takes it seriously. Nearly every story I read these days from a mainstream news site requires you to really look into it and do your own fact checking because chances are there will be a level of bullshit creating a slanted narrative.

Let's go for the most famous example in Britain, the BBC. There are hundreds of news articles on their site, can you pick one that requires the reader to do their own separate fact checking due to a level of bullshit creating biased reporting?
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by Brerlappin » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:26 am

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In a heated exchange between Newsnight's Evan Davis and an aide to President Trump, both the presenter and the BBC were accused of "fake news".

Video at the link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39000118


Oh right, the guy who was wearing a pin linked to Nazi sympathisers is on air claiming theres no anti-Semitism going on there. Seems legit.
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by Gandalf » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:28 am

captain red dog wrote:The depressing thing for me is that Trump is actually right about the mainstream media, it's just that coming from him nobody takes it seriously. Nearly every story I read these days from a mainstream news site requires you to really look into it and do your own fact checking because chances are there will be a level of bullshit creating a slanted narrative.


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by suzzopher » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:32 am

captain red dog wrote:The depressing thing for me is that Trump is actually right about the mainstream media, it's just that coming from him nobody takes it seriously. Nearly every story I read these days from a mainstream news site requires you to really look into it and do your own fact checking because chances are there will be a level of bullshit creating a slanted narrative.


That's not what is happening here, sure media needs to be more accurate, but right now you have the press of the world calling out The President of the USA as having colluded with the Russia government, he didn't even record his call to Putin, which is shocking. The media are trying to actually protect the people in this instance and are fact checking with people inside the White House, Trump even said the leaks are real, but then deflects that with cries of 'Fake News'. Trump is turning the people against the media to further his agendas, he realises he can't control the media so instead he discredits it. It so close to what Hitler did with the German media in 1933 it's almost unreal.

The narrative Trump is trying to tell the people is that the leakers are bad and the media are bad and that he is the good guy in all this. Which anyone with half a brain can see he is clearly not a good guy and clearly not the right person for the job.
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by captain red dog » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:38 am

suzzopher wrote:
captain red dog wrote:The depressing thing for me is that Trump is actually right about the mainstream media, it's just that coming from him nobody takes it seriously. Nearly every story I read these days from a mainstream news site requires you to really look into it and do your own fact checking because chances are there will be a level of bullshit creating a slanted narrative.


That's not what is happening here, sure media needs to be more accurate, but right now you have the press of the world calling out The President of the USA as having colluded with the Russia government, he didn't even record his call to Putin, which is shocking. The media are trying to actually protect the people in this instance and are fact checking with people inside the White House, Trump even said the leaks are real, but then deflects that with cries of 'Fake News'. Trump is turning the people against the media to further his agendas, he realises he can't control the media so instead he discredits it. It so close to what Hitler did with the German media in 1933 it's almost unreal.

The narrative Trump is trying to tell the people is that the leakers are bad and the media are bad and that he is the good guy in all this. Which anyone with half a brain can see he is clearly not a good guy and clearly not the right person for the job.

I don't necessarily disagree with how the media are treating Trump, but I do wish other politicians had this same level of scrutiny. My argument is with how the mainstream media act in pretty much all walks of life, misrepresenting people and using very specific language to frame stories in certain ways. Take the Pewdiepie debacle this week. The way that story was framed, and clips taken out of context (literally lifted from videos where he was making the exact opposite point) is deeply disturbing.

As I say, it's a shame it's Trump saying this as you can't take the guy seriously, he is a joke.
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by suzzopher » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:50 am

captain red dog wrote:
suzzopher wrote:
captain red dog wrote:The depressing thing for me is that Trump is actually right about the mainstream media, it's just that coming from him nobody takes it seriously. Nearly every story I read these days from a mainstream news site requires you to really look into it and do your own fact checking because chances are there will be a level of bullshit creating a slanted narrative.


That's not what is happening here, sure media needs to be more accurate, but right now you have the press of the world calling out The President of the USA as having colluded with the Russia government, he didn't even record his call to Putin, which is shocking. The media are trying to actually protect the people in this instance and are fact checking with people inside the White House, Trump even said the leaks are real, but then deflects that with cries of 'Fake News'. Trump is turning the people against the media to further his agendas, he realises he can't control the media so instead he discredits it. It so close to what Hitler did with the German media in 1933 it's almost unreal.

The narrative Trump is trying to tell the people is that the leakers are bad and the media are bad and that he is the good guy in all this. Which anyone with half a brain can see he is clearly not a good guy and clearly not the right person for the job.

I don't necessarily disagree with how the media are treating Trump, but I do wish other politicians had this same level of scrutiny. My argument is with how the mainstream media act in pretty much all walks of life, misrepresenting people and using very specific language to frame stories in certain ways. Take the Pewdiepie debacle this week. The way that story was framed, and clips taken out of context (literally lifted from videos where he was making the exact opposite point) is deeply disturbing.

As I say, it's a shame it's Trump saying this as you can't take the guy seriously, he is a joke.


I agree the media needs to be held accountable for a lot of gooseberry fool, Brexit for example, if rags like the Sun and DM had not told so many lies over the years, would the people have voted to strawberry float the country over? I doubt it, but the leftist media need to also stop stories for their own narrative.

But you can't silence the press without oppression of free speech.
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by Samuel_1 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:57 am

KKLEIN wrote:
In a heated exchange between Newsnight's Evan Davis and an aide to President Trump, both the presenter and the BBC were accused of "fake news".

Video at the link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39000118

I watched the whole thing, any difficult questions were met with; "oh, you're almost fake news now", if pressed; "you are fake news too". It was quite surreal, the Hungarian Nazi was pretty aggressive throughout.
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by Hexx » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:04 am

captain red dog wrote:I don't necessarily disagree with how the media are treating Trump, but I do wish other politicians had this same level of scrutiny.


Oh do shut up.

Look a Milliband, Corbyn, Cameron, May, Clinton, Obama, Bush, Clinton (again) etc they all get this level of scrutinyor higher.

These are simple basic questions he strawberry floating up
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by Hexx » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:08 am

captain red dog wrote: Take the Pewdiepie debacle this week. The way that story was framed, and clips taken out of context (literally lifted from videos where he was making the exact opposite point) is deeply disturbing.


You've avoided this before - but let's try again. Find a MSM site that you think distorted the story.
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by Moggy » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:33 am

Rocsteady wrote:
captain red dog wrote:The depressing thing for me is that Trump is actually right about the mainstream media, it's just that coming from him nobody takes it seriously. Nearly every story I read these days from a mainstream news site requires you to really look into it and do your own fact checking because chances are there will be a level of bullshit creating a slanted narrative.

Let's go for the most famous example in Britain, the BBC. There are hundreds of news articles on their site, can you pick one that requires the reader to do their own separate fact checking due to a level of bullshit creating biased reporting?


This one: http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38962480

Nobody is at all surprised that Spurs lost in Europe. Biased BBC peddling Tottenham lies. :x
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by captain red dog » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:41 am

Hexx wrote:
captain red dog wrote: Take the Pewdiepie debacle this week. The way that story was framed, and clips taken out of context (literally lifted from videos where he was making the exact opposite point) is deeply disturbing.


You've avoided this before - but let's try again. Find a MSM site that you think distorted the story.

No thanks Hexx, I'll take your earlier advice and just shut up as you always get hostile as soon as you are presented with an opinion you disagree with. It is pointless to try and debate you. I couldn't convince you even if I tried.
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by DML » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:42 am

captain red dog wrote:
Hexx wrote:
captain red dog wrote: Take the Pewdiepie debacle this week. The way that story was framed, and clips taken out of context (literally lifted from videos where he was making the exact opposite point) is deeply disturbing.


You've avoided this before - but let's try again. Find a MSM site that you think distorted the story.

No thanks Hexx, I'll take your earlier advice and just shut up as you always get hostile as soon as you are presented with an opinion you disagree with. It is pointless to try and debate you. I couldn't convince you even if I tried.


Is that perhaps because you can't?
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by Poncho » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:44 am

captain red dog wrote:I couldn't convince you even if I tried.


Brilliant.
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by Hexx » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:46 am

captain red dog wrote:
Hexx wrote:
captain red dog wrote: Take the Pewdiepie debacle this week. The way that story was framed, and clips taken out of context (literally lifted from videos where he was making the exact opposite point) is deeply disturbing.


You've avoided this before - but let's try again. Find a MSM site that you think distorted the story.

No thanks Hexx, I'll take your earlier advice and just shut up as you always get hostile as soon as you are presented with an opinion you disagree with. It is pointless to try and debate you. I couldn't convince you even if I tried.


Yeah but you don't even try and find evidence - for anyone!.
How very unreasonable of people to expect it.
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by Harry Ola » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:41 am

The press coverage of Trump is no more scandalous or sensational than other presidents or regimes. If there is a greater level of leaks currently it is probably because of concerns about the subject in question and his attitude to the intelligence community.

All the press (left and right) must either operate by some appropriate norms or you live with the consequences. Trump's issue is not with biased reporting, it's with reporting that's not biased for him.
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by Peter Crisp » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:56 am

The problem here is that most decent world leaders actually try and take time to make sure that statements they make aren't obvious bollocks that can be shown to be so with a 1 minute internet search (Trump doesn't seem to realise tv news stations have interns who do that sort of stuff all day long so are quite good at it) and try and give accurate information.
They also don't tend to react like babies when a reporter simply points out that he's given false information and it usually just ends in a retraction and clarification and we can see that any misinformation was a genuine mistake and life goes on but with this administration every question is seen as a personal attack and is handled as such.

There's almost no chance we can get through the next 4 years in the same way without the media being shackled massively which is surely against the constitution or the President being impeached or just resigning in a massive strop and blaming all his troubles on the global media who obviously just hate him.
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by Saint of Killers » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:57 am

Our secret weapon against Trump+Russia connection?: Louise Mensch

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by Dblock » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:07 pm

suzzopher wrote:
captain red dog wrote:The depressing thing for me is that Trump is actually right about the mainstream media, it's just that coming from him nobody takes it seriously. Nearly every story I read these days from a mainstream news site requires you to really look into it and do your own fact checking because chances are there will be a level of bullshit creating a slanted narrative.


That's not what is happening here, sure media needs to be more accurate, but right now you have the press of the world calling out The President of the USA as having colluded with the Russia government, he didn't even record his call to Putin, which is shocking. The media are trying to actually protect the people in this instance and are fact checking with people inside the White House, Trump even said the leaks are real, but then deflects that with cries of 'Fake News'. Trump is turning the people against the media to further his agendas, he realises he can't control the media so instead he discredits it. It so close to what Hitler did with the German media in 1933 it's almost unreal.

The narrative Trump is trying to tell the people is that the leakers are bad and the media are bad and that he is the good guy in all this. Which anyone with half a brain can see he is clearly not a good guy and clearly not the right person for the job.


Isn't it bit scary things are being leaked which might have huge impact on any decisions made ? Do you blame him that he doesn't record anything anymore due to all these leaks ? Conversations between us and Australia are one of those . Those leaks are illegal and media is putting a spin on it . The leaks are real but the news is fake makes a lot of sense. The leak happened but half of what is being reported is fake because they actually don't have actual proof besides knowing about the leak
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